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Old Wednesday 1st June 2005, 17:40   #1
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Julian Alps UFOs (Unidentified Flowering Objects)

Hi all-

One of these days I'll get around to acquiring a good flower book, but in the meantime is there anyone who can help me out with these two?

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-Adam


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Old Wednesday 1st June 2005, 18:57   #2
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I think the first is Saxifraga oppositifolia (a complex species with numerous subspecies).

The second I would guess is also a Saxifraga (possibly burserana[?])
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Old Wednesday 1st June 2005, 19:53   #3
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Thanks for your input, David.

Is this one also a Saxifraga?

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Certainly looks like it. I would plump for S. bryoides if pushed.
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Old Thursday 2nd June 2005, 08:17   #5
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adam -

The first looks like Purple the second looks like Mossy which is variable in height - i have seen it upto 6" high in Derbyshire but in Snowdonia it is typically cushion forming.

Where and when were these taken ?

As for the Yellow one - again when and where and do you have a close up of flower and leaf ?

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Old Thursday 2nd June 2005, 08:27   #6
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The first looks like Purple the second looks like Mossy which is variable in height - i have seen it upto 6" high in Derbyshire but in Snowdonia it is typically cushion forming.

Where and when were these taken ?

As for the Yellow one - again when and where and do you have a close up of flower and leaf ?

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The first post makes clear that they are from the Julian Alps, Laurie.
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All from this past Saturday, May 28th, along the Mangart Road in the Julian Alps, Laurie.

No, I didn't make any closer pictures of the yellow one. Each flower had four petals, though, if that helps.

The white saxifrage in question was indeed variable, as can be seen in this photo.
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Dont laugh but i seriously thought that was a play on words and was being used as nom de plume - ok so where is the julian alps ? i am only familiar with arctic alpine habitats in this country.

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I presume it is in the Czech Republic...
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From encyclopedia.com

mountain range, NE Italy and NW Slovenia, between the Carnic Alps and the Dinaric Alps, rising to 9,396 ft (2,864 m) in Triglav, the highest peak in Slovenia. The forested, glacier-scoured region is a popular resort area.

Sounds good and looks impressive probably easier botanising than the glyders or cwm idwal - i remember spending ages with binoculars looking for Snowdon lily - upon locating it i thought i would have a closer look with my scope to find it was wood anenome !

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Unfortunately my floras only cover Britain and Northern Europe with another for the Med and i have specific floras for one or two Greek islands - i shall purchase one for the arctic-alpine zone when i undertake a trip - cant help on the yellow one.

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Thanks anyway, Laurie.

While we're on the topic of books, what would be the best English-language field guide for the flora of the Alps?

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I'm still using 'Mountain Flowers' by Anthony Huxley (pub. Blandford) which is rather old and I'm not sure is still in print, but it covers the Alps, Scandinavia, the Pyrenees, the Apennines and the British Isles.
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I'm still using 'Mountain Flowers' by Anthony Huxley (pub. Blandford) which is rather old and I'm not sure is still in print, but it covers the Alps, Scandinavia, the Pyrenees, the Apennines and the British Isles.
Sounds like a good one, David, but it is out of print. If I don't find a suitable alternative, maybe I'll be able to pick it up used.

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Here's three that I think I managed to identify correctly from comparing them with images on the Web.

How'd I do?

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Depends what you have identified them as ?

Re the book - if my memory serves me correctly Collins used to publish a field guide to Arctic-Alpines if so it is probably available somewhere or online...

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Depends what you have identified them as?
Hi Laurie-

When you hold the clicker over the picture it gives the name.

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I really AM showing just how new i am to this site are'nt i ?

Envious of the Arctic-Alpine habitat...

I have a friend who is back this evening from a week in the Burren so am looking forward to seeing her for a and a perusal of her copious field notes - i dont think the weather was brill tho'

I am off tmrw to a reserve in the Midlands region that has Jurassic Limestone grassland flora - should be some Man Orchids out hopefully...

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Thanks for your input, David.

Is this one also a Saxifraga?

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Adam, your yellow-flowered plant looks like Draba aizoides (Yellow Whitlow-grass) to me. Here in Britain it is confined to a tiny area in South Wales, but it is widespread and often common in the European mountains.

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Pennard Castle - 3 Cliffs bay on the Gower is a good site for YWGrass...also Isle of Man Cabbage from what i remember...

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Adam, your yellow-flowered plant looks like Draba aizoides (Yellow Whitlow-grass) to me. Here in Britain it is confined to a tiny area in South Wales, but it is widespread and often common in the European mountains.

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