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Jonathan Meyrav
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Redstart showing features of both sexes
Attached is a paper and images of one of the most amazing things I have ever encountered, I will be happy to get ( serious ) comments...
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Still listing - I'll capsize one day
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Amazing! A very similar thing occurs in butterflies (but i can't remember the name for it at the moment!) I'm not suggesting this is the same thing, but it's a puzzler isn't it!?
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Cool! And weird...
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I think it's called gynandromorphism???
I remember seeing an illustration in British Birds, from the late 1980s, that showed a House Sparrow with 50/50 features of male and female split perfectly down the middle. I'll try and find it... |
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Still listing - I'll capsize one day
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Gy`nan`dro`mor´phism (jĭ`năn`drô`môr´fĭz'm)
n. 1. (Zool.) An abnormal condition of certain animals, in which one side has the external characters of the male, and the other those of the female. |
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... it's in British Birds vol.85 p.675-676
Apparently such birds "have both an ovary and a testis." Weird! |
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Does that mean that this bird is a hermaphrodite then ?
It'll be a late entrant into Big Brother at this rate along with the rest of the freaks and mis-shapes. And... has it had a rib removed so it can perform you know what ? ![]() |
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Well, you can also induce this effect in first year birds artificially. If you got a juvenile/1st winter male redstart, and plucked one side of its head, it would regrow just like this.
Sounds like a pointless thing to do, but it's been done. |
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what a disgusting-looking bird.
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Amigo de los Psittacidos
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this amazing phenomenon is called Gynandromorph (Halfsider) and is in fact the result of the elimination of one X-chromosome during meisosis, causing an animal with one side of the body genetically male and the other side female. The presence of an Y-chromosome is not necessary for developing a female individual in birds and the Y-chromosome is considered to be non-encoding DNA for no genes have ever been found on it.
Gynandromorphism is not common but found in several different species. I have seen halfsiders (in captivity) in Zebrafinch (Taeniopygia guttata), Barred Parakeet (Bolborhynchus lineola) and Budgerigar (Melopsittacus undulatus) I was told breeding with a Halfsider Bugerigar resulted in healthy offspring! (no halfsiders) so these birds amazingly appear to be prolific! |
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Runcorn Birder
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Jonathan Meyrav
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Israel
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Thanks for the replies.
What are the odds ? 2-3 weeks of ringing in a very small area ( an incredible migrant magnet, but still tiny ) and we were lucky enough to catch one of these... I didn't realize just how rare this phenomenon is. I now wonder, has anyone actually ringed any wild birds showing Gynandromorphism or actually seen Gynandromorphic (?) birds in the field ?? Redstarts in particular ? I know In southern Israel during spring there are days with dozens of Redstarts going through, I 'll be paying extra attention to every Redstart I see from now on... Thanks again for the detailed replies. |
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Does anyone know how I can open this Windows file in a Mac? I can read the script but can't see the pic.
Thanks in anticipation. Dave J
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Jonathan Meyrav
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Hi, I cant help you there,
but you can find the whole piece on www.birdingisrael.com |
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M.flava flavissima although they look identical to the pictures on the site. Dave J
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