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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 19:23   #1
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How to remove Manfrotto 128 RC tripod head

Today I broke the safety catch thingy on my Manfrotto tripod head....the little nipple that holds back the spring actually broke off the head, so the safety catch isn't sprung now. I want to check out new ones in Dublin tomorrow, but I'd like to take my old head with me (not the tripod though) for comparison. Not being too technical, I've tried every which way to separate the head from the tripod, short of a hacksaw, and I can't figure it out. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 19:31   #2
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Hi Sancho, sorry to hear of your problem. Which model head/tripod are we talking here?
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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 19:34   #3
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Sancho,

Have you loosened the three set screws underneath the tripod mounting plate? If not, you'll see them if you turn the tripod up side down and extend the center column.

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Hi Sancho, sorry to hear of your problem. Which model head/tripod are we talking here?
Hi Mike (love the pink ED50 photo!). The head is Manfrotto 128RC, the tripod is 190D.

Thanks Henry! Interestingly, I did turn it upside-down, and guess what, there was only one screw left! I loosened that, and....nothing happens. Still can't take off the head. Strange (and lucky) it never fell off in the field given that two of the screws had fallen out! I really have to pay more attention to Important Things.

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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 19:36   #5
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if you go to http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/spare.../cache/offonce and slap in the model number, you can download a PDF assembly drawing which might help. If it's anything like mine (701RC2 on a 190 series tripod), the head is screwed onto the column, and held there either by friction or by up to three grub screws going vertically up into the bottom of the head. to remove the head, I'd loosen all these grub screws (if any, they're not present on mine), tighten the screw on the head which locks panning (actually, since it's just plastic on a brass screw you'd be better off removing it, and temporarily replacing it with an M5 screw you can tighten with an Allen key) as much as you dare, tighten the column in the tripod as much as possible, then sharply unscrew the head.
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Hi Sancho, sorry to hear of your problem. Which model head/tripod are we talking here?
Twit - didn't read the thread title - sorry!
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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 19:39   #7
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now your screw's are loose(!) I reckon you just need to tighten that big wing-nut affair and give it a sharp anticlockwise yank.
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Sincerest thanks for the advice, Mike and Henry, I'll give it a go!

Update....tried everything, the head just tries to pan no matter how hard I tighten the plastic screw thing at the top of the column (with the last lonely grub-screw removed). Not to worry, I'll just take the whole thing into the store in Dublin tomorrow and let them sort it out. Thanks again for the advice!

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Sometimes a sharp blow to the end of the panhandle (counter clockwise) will dislodge a frozen head.
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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 19:47   #10
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I never could remove my 128 rc head from the centre column, I think after years of abuse in the field with salt water, spray, wear and bashing, it seemed to have corroded and fused together. This was after 15 years of head never being removed from the column.
I even let the engineers at work try to separate them to no avail.
I tried a socket deep inside the centre column to get to the head from underneath and in the end, gave up.
My only option was to buy a new head complete with a new centre column, only to find over the years that the column design had changed, going from round, to triangular and I believe also a hexagonal if I remember correctly?
This meant that I had to replace the tripod as well as the head
In despair I decided against the manfrotto as replacement opting for a gitzo which I certainly didn’t regret switching to.
I still remove the head on the gitzo every 6 months or so to prevent it happening again, and 2 years on all seems fine.
Good luck, maybe you could try ebay or somewhere selling an old tripod for spares, utilising the centre column and getting around it that way? But if you do, make sure that the head can separate or you will be in the same position again, also make sure that the column is the same shape as your original tripod.
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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 19:57   #11
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I think I'm in the same position as you were, crabplover....I've never removed the head, in eight years, and to be honest the washers under the top column screw are in a deplorable state...one is simply rust, the black plastic one above and the steel one on top won't budge either. All fused together with goo, I would imagine. Not to worry, there are bigger problems out there! Thanks again!
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the head is screwed onto the column, and held there either by friction or by up to three grub screws going vertically up into the bottom of the head.
The grub screws don't hold the head onto the column, they just prevent it from unscrewing and working itself loose, so no danger of the head falling off. There's actually a larger 3/8" bolt in the centre of the top plate of the column going into the base of the head which holds it in place.

Mike's right that a sharp anti-clockwise yank should shift it, as the mating surfaces between head and column have a slight 'toothed' texture so might take a sudden jolt to overcome the friction between them.

Good luck with getting the new head.
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Oops! Seems like others beat me to it while I was writing my last post!
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Old Thursday 27th December 2007, 20:04   #14
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Sometimes you find that all three screws are gone and only dirt is holding your head on the tripod.

Best to check all these screws a couple times a year.

I dropped a scope once...live and learn. It was held on by a tight screw, only by two threads.
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.....the mating surfaces between head and column have a slight 'toothed' texture so might take a sudden jolt to overcome the friction between them...
Thanks Steve! Sudden Jolt, eh? This might be a job for Lucy the Lump-Hammer.... (I reckon most of the world's problems can be solved with Tolerance, Patience and Understanding. The rest need a Lump-Hammer or Duct-Tape).

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(I reckon most of the world's problems can be solved with Tolerance, Patience and Understanding. The rest need a Lump-Hammer or Duct-Tape).
I reckon with the combined will power of all that have contributed to this thread today (and a little bit of technical know-how) that head ought to be off by now! (that's if there really is a god upstairs!).

Now I see you're resorting to brute force. How blue is the air at Chez Sancho this evening?
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I reckon with the combined will power of all that have contributed to this thread today (and a little bit of technical know-how) that head ought to be off by now!
Perhaps if we all close our eyes and hum together "Tripod Head, Off...", it will simply pop off, thereby proving not only Psychic Birding but also Paranormal Kit Repair.....Actually Lucy Lump-Hammer is in the Shed, it's pouring rain, and I've had to give up 'cos it's the kids' bedtime. If I spend any more time mucking about with this tripod, Madame Sancho is going to think of other uses for Lucy....

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Just for the record, a bit of grease on the threads will keep these parts from seizing after assembly no matter how long you leave them together.

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Maybe a bit of grease, and then cover the joint with duct tape! If the screws fall out, you still have the duct tape.
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Thanks, Alexis and Tero, this morning I tried WD40, a few gentle taps with Lucy, everything. That 3/8 bolt in the top of the column (the Manfrotto site calls it a "female thread") has a groove to receive some kind of a thick screwdriver, as though it actually screws out upwards. But it won't budge either. I think I have to be grateful for the eight years I got out of this tripod and move on, unless the store has any bright ideas. Thanks again for the advice, when I get a new pod and head, I'll grease the threads etc. as you suggest.

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...when I get a new pod and head...
One of the nice things about Manfrotto/Bogen is that they have replacement parts for everything (in my experience, even for most discontinued models). If you otherwise like your tripod, you should be able to get a new complete center column assembly, to which you can attach a new head if the old one can't be fixed. I don't follow your description of the slotted center screw, so maybe the following isn't relevant, but if you are trying to take off the top plate and head together for some reason, the top plate on the center column of many models attaches via a hex nut that is reached with a very long socket extension through the length of the center column. If that doesn't work, you could saw off the top inch of so of the center column and go from there. Also, keep in mind that you may be able to get replacement parts for your broken head. I just had the cast metal part that clamps the handle on my 700RC2 head fail (it cracked in half on a cold day when I tried to quickly fold my scope downward for carrying). The replacement part is $6 direct from Bogen/Manfrotto. Wish this bit were made with cold forging or machining (I ordered an extra replacement for future use).

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Thanks Alexis, my "observation" about the nut on top of the head was irrelevant, I thought it came straight up through from the centre column. Today I went to the store in Dublin and bought a replacement head (128RC). The salesman there insisted that the head should come off the tripod...he tried but couldn't budge it, but advised me to take it home, WD40 it again, and have another go, rather than try to sell me a new tripod. I've given up now, but your advice re. Manfrotto is very gratefully received, I went to their website and asked about a new centre column. Presumably they'll respond shortly. Many thanks!
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I really don't understand. All the heads I have seen attach with the three screws. The silver part here
http://www.manfrotto.com/webdav/site...250_fig-10.jpg
has the screws going up to the black part.

Yours doesn't?
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I really don't understand. All the heads I have seen attach with the three screws. The silver part here
http://www.manfrotto.com/webdav/site...250_fig-10.jpg
has the screws going up to the black part.

Yours doesn't?
Yes, Tero, the three screws go up through the silver part, into the black part, but I've removed the last one, and the head won't budge. It pans beautifully, but that's the problem, no matter how hard I tighten the nut on top of the head, when I try to jolt the head anti-clockwise, it pans instead of unscrewing from the centre-column plate. It's as if the centre-column plate and the head plate have fused together over the years. When I look up through the centre-column I can see the hex-nut that Alexis mention, but even if I could get to it, I still can't turn the head without the panning action kicking in.
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There are in fact two silver plates. This is the bottom of a head, and a big screw from the base goes into it. The three screws only prevent the two plates from moving apart once attached.

You need to take a plumber's wrench and turn one of the silver plates. You can take the three screws completely out before that.
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