[B.Walsh]

I would be greatful for any help with identifying these moths, as i cant seem to find anything definite in any books i have.

[Highway Man]

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

I would be greatful for any help with identifying these moths, as i cant seem to find anything definite in any books i have.

1. Scalloped Hazel
2. Middle-barred Minor?
3. The Flame
4. Shuttle shaped Dart
5. ?

Mark

[Brian Stone]

#1 & #3 I'd agree with.
#2 Marbled Minor agg. (Oligia strigilis agg.) for me
#4 is another The Flame (Axylia putris) with its wings atypically spread
#5 I don't know either.

[B.Walsh]

Thanks for the help and i have a few more that need identifying aswell if you can help.
From what ive found i think that 2 may be a Dogs tooth, 3 may be a Double striped pug and 4 might be a Grey pine carpet but im not sure on these and i havent a clue on No.1 .
I would be greatful for any help. Also if anyone has any ideas on No.5 from the first post, that would be great.

[Highway Man]

1st one looks like an Ingrailed Clay.

Mark

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

Thanks for the help and i have a few more that need identifying aswell if you can help.
From what ive found i think that 2 may be a Dogs tooth, 3 may be a Double striped pug and 4 might be a Grey pine carpet but im not sure on these and i havent a clue on No.1 .
I would be greatful for any help. Also if anyone has any ideas on No.5 from the first post, that would be great.

Agreed with Ingrailed Clay for #1
#2 Pale-shouldered Brocade
#3 & #4 Agreed with Double-striped Pug and Grep Pine Carpet.

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

I would be greatful for any help with identifying these moths, as i cant seem to find anything definite in any books i have.

#1 Scalloped Hazel
#2 I favour Middle-barred Minor, by no means a definite.
#3 & #4 Flame
#5 Mottled Beauty.

[B.Walsh]

Thanks for your help on the last ones though im not convinced on the Mottled Beauty from the first group. Anyway if you get a chance i have a few more to look at.

1.Im sure this one is obvious but its definitely not in the book i use.
2.I think it could be a Barred Straw but im not sure.
3, 4 and 5 i have no idea.
Greatful for any help.

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

Thanks for your help on the last ones though im not convinced on the Mottled Beauty from the first group.

It IS Mottled Beauty. Check out link for previous post in an early June thread for reason why.
http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...6&postcount=36

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

1.Im sure this one is obvious but its definitely not in the book i use.
2.I think it could be a Barred Straw but im not sure.
3, 4 and 5 i have no idea.
Greatful for any help.

1. is a Plume moth. I think ID is possible and if no one else comes up with answer I'll look later.
2. is a Northern Spinach. Barred Straw has a very distinctive restimg posture with wings curled somewhat.
3.A form of Ingrailed Clay
4.I think likely to be Rustic, Hoplodrina Blanda The lighting could be putting me astray.
5.Spectacle.

[Brian Stone]

Try Amblyptilia punctidactyla for the plume.

[B.Walsh]

Angus i see your point about the Mottled Beauty and i have a few more pictures of the same moth with different colours, but that curve is present in all. As for the other moths, is the Northern Spinach the same as The Spinach. I should have picked up on The Spectacle myself but missed him. Number 4 is a very bad picture but i think it was a very worn looking moth. The Ingrailand Clay really catches me out as ive seen at least 6 moths that i was sure were Ingrailand Clays but they were very different. The Plume moth is what i thought myself for number 1 but i only have a couple of Plume moths in my book.

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

Angus i see your point about the Mottled Beauty and i have a few more pictures of the same moth with different colours, but that curve is present in all. As for the other moths, is the Northern Spinach the same as The Spinach. I should have picked up on The Spectacle myself but missed him. Number 4 is a very bad picture but i think it was a very worn looking moth. The Ingrailand Clay really catches me out as ive seen at least 6 moths that i was sure were Ingrailand Clays but they were very different. The Plume moth is what i thought myself for number 1 but i only have a couple of Plume moths in my book.

Spinach and Northern Spinach are quite different looking moths. Spinach has only been recorded in Dublin area in Ireland.

Ingrailed clay is very variable. Your one pictured is a form I've not seen.

[B.Walsh]

A few more moths here which i cannot identify, not great pictures but its all i have.

1.I dont know for sure but it may be another Ingrailed Clay.
2.Its a very dark picture but it does not seem to have any obvious markings.
3 & 4 im fairly sure are Micros and i have found nothing even remotely like them, even though they seem to have good markings and colours.
Very greatful for any help you can give me.

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

A few more moths here which i cannot identify, not great pictures but its all i have.

1.I dont know for sure but it may be another Ingrailed Clay.
2.Its a very dark picture but it does not seem to have any obvious markings.
3 & 4 im fairly sure are Micros and i have found nothing even remotely like them, even though they seem to have good markings and colours.
Very greatful for any help you can give me.

4.Agapeta hamana
3.Scopariinae sp (Scoparia/Eudonia sp), but I'm not going to call it
2.Clouded-bordered Brindle
1.Tawny-barred Angle.

[B.Walsh]

Oh well none out of four is a start i suppose.
Thanks for those im sure ill have more soon, i hope im not making them to easy for you!

[B.Walsh]

Sooner than i thought i have 5 more for identification.

1.Im fairly sure this is a Barred Red.
2.I think is a Middle Barred Minor
3 & 4 i think are micros so i have no idea.
5.I think it might be a Mother Of Pearl but it looks more like an off colour Small Magpie.

[Brian Stone]

1. Barred Red Hylaea fasciaria
2. Not middle-barred I don't think. Another Marbled Minor agg.?
3. Diamond-back Moth Plutella xylostella
4. Pyralidae: Phycitinae. Not sure which.
5. Mother of Pearl Pleuroptya ruralis

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by brianhstone

1. Barred Red Hylaea fasciaria
2. Not middle-barred I don't think. Another Marbled Minor agg.?
3. Diamond-back Moth Plutella xylostella
4. Pyralidae: Phycitinae. Not sure which.
5. Mother of Pearl Pleuroptya ruralis

1. Agreed
2. agreed providing size is right.
3. Rhigognostis incarnatella, and in your defence Brian, I was calling these large Diamond-back for over a season. They been recorded at a number of sites locally and B. Walsh is in a similar part of country.
4. Bee Moth Aphomia Sociella I'm sure you'll kick yourself Brian.
5. Agreed.

[Brian Stone]

Eugh! More haste...

[Brian Stone]

Rhigognostis incarnatella is another one that UKmoths has wrong.

Quote: "The adults emerge in September and remain in this stage until around April, hiding in thick cover over the winter."

Presumably you have a summer brood as well.

[B.Walsh]

Thanks for the last group, i hope you dont mind doing some more, these are all fairly bad pictures, thats why i left them till now. It would be great if you could look at them and give your opinion.
My opinion is:

1.Possibly a Mottled Pug.
2.A Rustic i think.
3.Possibly a Foxglove Pug.
4.Possibly a Marbled Pug.
5.Looks like a worn Pale Shouldered Brocade.

As you can see im not very good at spotting Pugs.

[Surreybirder]

I hope I'm not completely mad but 1 looks like a garden carpet to me.
I agree that 5 is worn
Ken

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by Surreybirder

I hope I'm not completely mad but 1 looks like a garden carpet to me.
I agree that 5 is worn
Ken

Yes 1. is a Garden Carpet
2. Mottled Rustic, not 100% though
3.Yes for Foxglove Pug,
4, yes for another Pug, but I'm not going to call it.
5. could certainly be a Pale-shouldered Brocade, but i'm not going to confirm it.

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by brianhstone

Rhigognostis incarnatella is another one that UKmoths has wrong.

Quote: "The adults emerge in September and remain in this stage until around April, hiding in thick cover over the winter."

Presumably you have a summer brood as well.

I wouldn't be so hard on UKmoths as the same info is in MBGBI. Its quite a rare moth in Britain, but seems less so in Ireland. All my records on database are for Spring & Autumn period, but I have photos from last year which I haven't processed and they're possibly Summer ones.

So perhaps it is double-brooded in Ireland, but will take many more records to get clearer picture.

[Angus T]

Originally Posted by B.Walsh

Thanks for the last group, i hope you dont mind doing some more, these are all fairly bad pictures, thats why i left them till now. It would be great if you could look at them and give your opinion.
My opinion is:

1.Possibly a Mottled Pug.
2.A Rustic i think.
3.Possibly a Foxglove Pug.
4.Possibly a Marbled Pug.
5.Looks like a worn Pale Shouldered Brocade.

As you can see im not very good at spotting Pugs.

OK I'll make a suggestion for no.4
Possibly Grey Pug, though a bit brown for my liking.

The size can be a big help, particularly with the smaller moths.