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Old Monday 15th August 2005, 17:17   #1
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i need help plz

Hi everyone! well a few weeks ago i happen to rescue a baby bird and i dont any idea what kind of bird it is i was wondering if anyone can help me identify it. or if u can tell me anything about it...
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I'm not really sure what it is. I have a guess, but either way, I'd probably go put that bird back where you found it as soon as possible. It looks like it was getting close to fledging and probably didn't need rescuing, just some more time to get its wings working.

Edit: To me it looks like it may be some sort of bird of prey, which would be even more of a reason to return it since getting caught with a baby bird of prey will get you a hefty fine or a short stint in jail depending on how the judge is feeling at the time.
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Now see I think It looks more like a juvenile Bobwhite (quail). Affe22 is right though, you should get it back to where you found it as soon as possible if this is at all possible.

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Old Monday 15th August 2005, 17:37   #4
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Thanks for the correction KC. I kind of thought it resembled an Osprey but I don't have extensive knowledge of baby birds nor do I have a field guide here at work. Either way, back to the woods it should go.
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Heck, I may be way off here in my I.D. Affe
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Old Monday 15th August 2005, 18:13   #6
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Hi everyone! well a few weeks ago i happen to rescue a baby bird and i dont any idea what kind of bird it is i was wondering if anyone can help me identify it. or if u can tell me anything about it...
I was checking in a bird book pg,242 of the birds of North America Book, and the only thing I can remotely find close to this is what is called a logger head shrike. These are the only type of bird that looks like that that is in the united states and remotely close to the pictures you posted . The Northern Shrike is located in Canada and the surrounding areas. Shrikes are actually birds that prey upon insects, small birds and rodents. If I were you, I would put this little bird back if it's not too late. As with all baby birds, The majority of the mother birds will abandon their young if they sense or smell human scent on them. So you should handle it as little as possible and get it back. If not I would contact a wild life center such as a nature center or a zoo to help it rehabilitate til it gets big enough to learn to fly and be reintroduced in the world.

I have done my share of bird rescue and I've lost alot of them due to stress of being away from the mother but I did successfully raise a baby robin til it was old enough to fly and it was the most rewarding thing I could have done, but it's better if it's own spieces or a professional can take care of it.
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Old Monday 15th August 2005, 19:01   #7
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If this bird was rescued "a few weeks ago," as the poster indicated, what happened to it? Was it returned safely to the wild? Was it taken to a rehabber or vet? Did it die?

Havixx81, for future reference, please read the info page at the below URL before removing any more chicks from the wild:

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=36564


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As with all baby birds, The majority of the mother birds will abandon their young if they sense or smell human scent on them. So you should handle it as little as possible and get it back. If not I would contact a wild life center such as a nature center or a zoo to help it rehabilitate til it gets big enough to learn to fly and be reintroduced in the world.

I have done my share of bird rescue and I've lost alot of them due to stress of being away from the mother but I did successfully raise a baby robin til it was old enough to fly and it was the most rewarding thing I could have done, but it's better if it's own spieces or a professional can take care of it.
Sorry, EKB, but the "human scent" issue is a myth. Adult birds abandon chicks and nests due to disturbance either by humans or predators, not because a human has handled the nestlings. This is exactly why people are urged to get baby birds back into nests, if possible, if the birds are too young to be fledges, are found on the ground and if the nest is reachable. Please see the info page I've referenced above.

I also cannot stress enough that in the US, it is illegal to handle, transport, harass, keep, or otherwise capture any wild birds protected by federal law unless you have the proper permits and licenses to do so. And in the US, only a handful birds are not federally protected (e.g., House Sparrow, Rock Dove, European Starling, and other introduced species).
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As with all baby birds, The majority of the mother birds will abandon their young if they sense or smell human scent on them.
I heard this was a fallacy because most birds have a very limited sense of smell. Anyone else have any ideas about that?

This bird is way to big to be a shrike. The legs are too long and thick, the beak is wrong, and the dorsal feathers are brown when they should be gray.

Edit: Ha, I guess I should read the rest of the posts before I put things down. Thanks Katy.
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Agree with Katy! Also think that the chick is a Bobwhite.
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i tried to put it back

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I'm not really sure what it is. I have a guess, but either way, I'd probably go put that bird back where you found it as soon as possible. It looks like it was getting close to fledging and probably didn't need rescuing, just some more time to get its wings working.

Edit: To me it looks like it may be some sort of bird of prey, which would be even more of a reason to return it since getting caught with a baby bird of prey will get you a hefty fine or a short stint in jail depending on how the judge is feeling at the time.

well when i found the bird a cat was eating another baby and i looked around and i cant find where it came from. The lil bird that i found its wing was bloody and it wouldnt move, but now its been a month and its pretty big now
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these taken recently
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I'm going to go out on a very long limb here. If this is a Bobwhite that was "found" anywhere in California, I'll eat a chicken. Oh, wait. Maybe this is a chicken.
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Perhaps this is fowl play, perhaps not.
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Old Tuesday 16th August 2005, 11:58   #14
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Looks very much like a chicken or pheasant!

Already from the very first photo in this thread it is clear that this is not a raptor (or a songbird like Loggerhead shrike)!!! While it is still downy , it has already well debveloped flight feathers on that photo... that is something typical for pheasants , chickens , quails etc!

EDIT: it seems to develop a comb on the last pics? the chicken option becomes more likely!

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[quote=affe22]I heard this was a fallacy because most birds have a very limited sense of smell. Anyone else have any ideas about that?

A lot of scientists test evolutionary questions on bird reproduction by moving birds between nests of study populations (cross fostering), and this involves handling the birds or eggs. As long as the scientists are doing it properly there is no increase in mortality or other problems associated with this sort of thing.

There is no indication of birds being able to detct a human scent at all. Or if they can are not bothered by it. in my experience the parents continue to feed within minutes of such cross-fostering, due to the stimulation of the begging calls and other chick-based methods of stimulating parent to feed.

I think that it is a good fallacy to maintain- as it makes people think of whether or not they should handle young birds or not- in most cases the bird is better off left to its own devices.
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So, I was completely wrong on the osprey idea. My bad. I'm going to say it is definitely an escaped chicken and I suppose those are alright to possess. I just wouldn't go around picking up many other birds. If a cat was eating them, well, that's the way the world works, even if cats shouldn't be outside eating native birds.
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I was thinking chicken all along as I was reading the posts.
Too goofy looking for anything else. Why, look at those thighs...

Well, then, you either have a very nice pet, or a tasty meal!!


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This looks like a grouse or partridge of some sort, to me. We just had a chukar hanging around recently, that although not this colouring at all (adult), it was very similar in shape and size.
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Grey Jungle Fowl? From the location and such, it's probably a chicken. Note the three forward pointing toes of the chick pic however. Raptors pretty much never have that configuration.

The Red Jungle Fowl, or primal chicken as I call it, is a very handsome bird indeed. It would definitely be of interest if it weren't for the fact that their are probably more than 20 billion chickens in the world.
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Perhaps this is fowl play, perhaps not.
Very close to becoming a total cock-up, if you ask me.
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So, I emailed a chicken expert who told me this was definitely a chicken but couldn't tell me what breed yet. He said if you take pictures in a couple weeks he should be able to tell you the breed. Case closed.
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