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Old Sunday 12th March 2006, 11:12   #1
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Question Desert Wheatear or Wheatear

I took this photo on a beach in western Crete, Greece a couple of weeks ago , the black bar on the outer tail feathers seems a bit deep and the eyestripe to thick to be a common Wheatear am I looking at a Desert wheatear ? thanks in advance
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Old Sunday 12th March 2006, 11:21   #2
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It's certainly not a Desert Wheatear, which has an entirely black tail. It might be an Isabelline - either that or female Northern.
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Old Sunday 12th March 2006, 11:24   #3
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Think it could well be an Isabelline - has a rather big, long-legged, upright appearance, as well as good looking plumage.
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I think that the brown centres to the median coverts point to Isabelline too - on Common I think these would be black.

Nice photo!
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For me too Isabelline is a strong candidate although some female wheatears can appear as sandy - however, they don't usually show such defined black loral areas and the white supercillium usually extends behind the eye.

Don't know if you saw it in flight - Isabellines have wholly white underwings whereas wheatears don't.

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After googling Isabelline wheatear I'd say Isabelline too.
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Thanks Andrew , my book showed a small f.Desert photo and the black tail on her did not look as long as on the male , so assumed a Desert as the photo of Isabelline looked too plump , must get a new book !! Isabelline nicer as have not seen one before .Colin
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thanks all , sorry about delay in reply , not on anything so good as broadband here dialup 34.6Kbps,
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not convinced of Issy yet

any more pix?

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the white IN FRONT of the eye is a good feature though...

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Isabelline for me, possibly a male judging by the prominent dark loral stripe. The supercilium, whitish in front of the eye and buffish behind, the broad pale fringes to the coverts, the isolated dark alula, the bird's upright stance and stout bill and the overall sandy colouration all point to Isabelline.

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I shouted Issy on its overall demeanor - if that makes sense.
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isaballine wheatear for me for reasons already stated. Remember to take it to consideration the time of year. Spring northerns should look quite different. It's autumn type northerns that cause confusion.
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Yes, two or three ,this frontal one , and some moving away cannot remember the flight details though
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I shouted Issy on its overall demeanor - if that makes sense.
That would make it "Jissy" I suppose
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Definately an Issy. Saw hundreds last week in Egypt!
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