[dennis]

Hello all.

The last thread was getting a tad large(90 replies and 915 views) so let's start fresh.

The following is a list of all warbler species reported to the Forum in 2003. The species considered for the list include all those accepted by James Clements in his "Birds of the World a Checklist". Cisticolas and their allies have been given family status and are not counted. I believe I am up to date on splits and lumps(I hope). Anyone having seen any other warbler species not on the following list should respond to this thread(or warbler list II). Thanks to all who have contibuted. Please forgive any omissions I may have made.

OLD WORLD WARBLERS:

Chestnut-headed Tesia
Asian Stubtail
Japanese Bush-Warbler
Chestnut-crowned Bush-Warbler
Gray-sided Bush-Warbler
Cetti's Warbler
African Bush-Warbler
Grasshopper Warbler
Eurasian River Warbler
Savi's Warbler
Moustached Warbler
Sedge Warbler
Black-browed Reed-Warbler
Eurasian Reed-Warbler
Blyth's Reed-Warbler
Marsh Warbler
Great Reed-Warbler
Oriental Reed-Warbler
Clamorous Reed-Warbler
Lesser Swamp-Warbler
Thick-billed Warbler
Eastern Olivaceous Warbler
Melodious Warbler
Icterine Warbler
African Yellow Warbler
Common Tailorbird
Dark-necked Tailorbird
Rufous-tailed Tailorbird
Ashy Tailorbird
Senegal Eremomela
Green-backed Eremomela
Nothern Crombec
Willow Warbler
Common Chiffchaff
Iberian Chiffchaff
Bonelli's Warbler(Eastern)
Bonelli's Warbler(Western)
Wood Warbler
Dusky Warbler
Smoky Warbler
Tickell's Leaf-Warbler
Sulphur-bellied Warbler
Pale-rumped Warbler
Brook's Leaf-Warbler
Yellow-browed Warbler
Hume's Warbler
Arctic warbler
Greenish Warbler
Two-barred Warbler
Pale-legged Leaf-Warbler
Western Crowned Leaf-Warbler
Eastern Crowned Leaf-Warbler
Blyth's Leaf-Warbler
Golden-spectacled Warbler
Plain-tailed Warbler
Gray-hooded Warbler
Black-faced Warbler
Tawny Grassbird
Little Grassbird
Fernbird
Blackcap
Garden Warbler
Greater Whitethroat
Lesser Whitethroat
Small Whitethroat
Hume's Whitethroat
Barred Warbler
Eastern Orphean Warbler
Rueppell's Warbler
Subalpine Warbler
Sardinian Warbler
Cyprus Warbler
Spectacled Warbler
Dartford Warbler

"NEW WORLD WARBLERS"

Olive Warbler
Blue-winged Warbler
Golden-winged Warbler
Tennessee Warbler
Orange-crowned Warbler
Nashville Warbler
Virginia's Warbler
Lucy's Warbler
Flame-throated Warbler
Northern Parula
Tropical Parula
Yellow Warbler
Chestnut-sided Warbler
Magnolia Warbler
Black-throated Blue Warbler
Yellow-rumped Warbler
Black-throated Gray Warbler
Black-throated Green Warbler
Townsend's Warbler
Hermit Warbler
Blackburian Warbler
Yellow-throated Warbler
Grace's Warbler
Pine Warbler
Kirkland's Warbler
Prairie Warbler
Palm Warbler
Bay-breasted Warbler
Blackpoll Warbler
Cerulean Warbler
Black and White Warbler
American Redstart
Prohonotary Warbler
Worm-eating Warbler
Swainson's Warbler
Ovenbird
Northern Waterthrush
Louisiana Waterthrush
Kentucky Warbler
Mourning Warbler
MacGillivray's Warbler
Common Yellowthroat
Olive Crowned Yellowthroat
Gray-Crowned Yellowthroat
Hooded Warbler
Wilson's Warbler
Canada Warbler
Red-faced Warbler
Painted Warbler
Slate-throated Redstart
Collared Redstart
Spectacled Redstart
Fan-tailed Warbler
Choco Warbler
Black-crested Warbler
Russet-crowned Warbler
Golden-crowned Warbler
Rufous-capped Warbler
Golden-browed Warbler
Black-cheeked Warbler
Three-striped Warbler
Buff-rumped Warbler
Wrenthrush
Yellow-breasted Chat

Total- 138 species

[dennis]

O.K. you slackards! I've given you nearly 24 hours to find a new warbler and so far...nothing! This is totally unacceptable. Now get out there and scare one up. This year won't last forever!

Keep warblering,
dennis(hick! I gotta stop drinking this stuff)

[Michael Frankis]

If a Choco Warbler dies, is it a Choco late Warbler?

Michael

[dennis]

Forgot to add two "old world" species:

Buff-barred Warbler
Whistler's Warbler

Clements' list includes (updated for splits) 291 old world warblers. One of those, the Large-billed Reed-Warbler of northern India, is probably extinct. It also lists 116 new world species including 2 which are probably extinct, Bachman's Warbler(southern U.S.) and Semper's Warbler(St. Lucia).

Discounting these we are left with 290 old world and 114 new world on our list of possible sightings.

To date:

76 of 290 old world (26.2%)
64 of 114 new world (56.1%)

140 of 404 total worldwide warbler species (34.6%)

Thanks to all who have contibuted.

dennis

[birdman]

Hi dennis,

I've not managed to add anything concrete to your continuing warbler threads, except for the tenuous association of compiling GGBC lists, which I know provided you with a few of the birds on your list.

However, I have found it fascinating to keep up with your list, and look forward to future additions.

Cheers

[Michael Frankis]

Hi Dennis,

With any luck (and some east winds!!) things should change for the better from mid September on, that's when vagrant central Asian wablers start turning up on the UK east coast.

Either that, or we need someone to sign up from, or go on holiday to, China!

Michael

[dennis]

Oh, Michael. The thought of going to China on a birding trip is just what I need today. Unlike our Canadian neighbors who are experiencing wild fires, we seem to be living in the northern Amazon River basin. It just won't stop raining. My binoculars are getting dusty.

Hey birdman. Maybe Michael, you and I should take a little walk on the Great Wall. Something to dream about as(checking the window) the the rain continues here.

dennis

[Glen Tepke]

Do you want hybrids? I've seen "Lawrence's Warbler" in New Hampshire, USA, in 2003. This is a hybrid between Blue-winged and Golden-winged. Actually, to be more specific, it is a back-cross between "Brewster's Warbler" and Golden-winged; "Brewster's" is a hybrid between Blue-winged and Golden-winged. Glen

[dennis]

Thanks Glen. Unlistable but a great find. Haven't had one around here in years. At one point, a Lawrence's returned to the same tree for at least 3 years in a local park. Won't be long till those Blues wipe out the Golden-wings here in Pa.

dennis

[alan_rymer]

Dennis

I'm suprised that no-one has picked up a Nigtingale in the UK yet!. There have been sigtings close to my home, but not by me unfortunateley

[dennis]

Hi Alan,

You had me scrambling to my books! Common Nightingale(Luscinia megarhynchos) is an Old World Flycatcher(not warbler). Although a sighting would be welcome to all in your parts if I understand their scarcity.

To any North American birders..... Anyone see a Cape May Warbler this year? Surprised not to see one myself.

dennis

[robinm]

Hi Dennis: I think you may confuse Alan here because his bird book will undoubtedly show Nightingale as being family Turdidae (chats and thrushes). Have we been here before!!!

PS: I have seen several this year - I posted a photo of one in the gallery.

[dennis]

Thanks Robin. We did go round and round before, didn't we! Well Alan, Clement's, "Birds of the World a Checklist" doesn't include that bird in HIS version of "old world warblers".

Wish they would come up with just one book with just one name for each species. Bet birdman would agree to that!(Think Global Bird Count)

dennis

[robinm]

Hi: Dennis. I'm with you on the global list. Birdman and I know all about world checklists from the GGBC! Not only is there no global agreement on families, we even can't agree on some scientific names - it's a nightmare.

Sorry I can't add anything more to your list. My sole addition for the year from my 10 days in Germany recently was marsh warbler (excellent views of bird singing down to 10 feet), and you've already got that.

[Hanno]

Hi Dennis,

I saw Grey-cheeked Warbler (Seicercus poliogenys), Hill Prinia (Prinia atrogularis), and Japanese White (Zosterops Japonicus) this mornig at Ham Rong Mountain, Sapa, Vietnam.

Previous birds seen this year, which I did not find on your list, were:

Plain Prinia (Samit Songkram, Thailand, 24/5)
Yellow-bellied Prinia (Sam Roi Yot, Thailand, 28/5)

Cheers,

Hanno

[dennis]

Thanks Hanno.

The Gray-cheeked Warbler makes our list.

The Japanese White-eye is considered(on this side of the oceans) to be a member of the White-eyes, family: Zosteropidae

The Prinias are considered in with the Cisticolas and Allies, family: Cisticolidae.

Other warblers that are amoung the missing and may be found in North Vietnam are: Bianchi's Warbler(Seicercus valentini)(formerly Golden-spectacled Warbler), Chestnut-crowned Warbler(Seicercus castaniceps), Rufous-faced Warbler(Abroscopus albogularis), Yellow-bellied Warbler(Abroscopus superciliaris).

Thanks again.
dennis

[Hanno]

OK on the White-eye, but according to "Birds of the Western Palearctic" and "Birds of Kenya and Northern Tanzania", Prinias etc. have not been raised to family status, rrather they are put as sub-family Sylviidae: Cisticolinae. But come to think of it, we had this discussion on these forums before, but I can't remeber the outcome.

[robinm]

Hanno: Yeah, denis and I had this discussion. It's because there is no worldwide agreement on what bird families are - something we both agree is dumb.

The outcome is that as this is denis's list we go (quite rightly) with the definitions as used in the US.

[Hanno]

OK, thanks for the enlightenment. Wouldn't it be great if one day all bodies could agree on a coomon formula. (Nahh, that is in the realm of fantasy).

[Hanno]

Going through your list one more time, I see that you don't seem to have Pallas's Leaf-warbler on it, which I saw in Sapa in January/February.

[dennis]

The Pallas's Leaf-warbler.... would that be Phylloscopus proregulus? Over here we call that species Lemon-rumped Warbler. Let me know if I'm on the correct species.

dennis

[Hanno]

Yes, it is Phylloscopus proregulus.

Hanno

[dennis]

Thanks Hanno.

Pallas's Leaf-warbler, a.k.a. Lemon-rumped Warbler makes the list!

Good job Hanno.

New totals:

78 of 290 "old world" (26.9%)
64 of 114 "new world" (56.1%)

142 of 404 (35.1%)

dennis

[Michael Frankis]

Hi Dennis,

Pallas's Warbler (Phylloscopus proregulus; breeds NE Asia) and Lemon-rumped Warbler (P. chloronotus; breeds Tibetan plateau) were split a few years ago.

As far as I can tell, P. proregulus will be much the commoner of the two in Vietnam, the main wintering area for P. chloronotus is further west in Burma etc.

Michael

[robinm]

Slightly off topic.

Michael: Very interesting and by doing a bit of searching on the web I was able to confirm what you write (not that I doubted you anyway). My interest (from doing the GGBC) is that none of the "World Bird Lists" that I have show this split. It is relatively easy for me to keep up with UK and US splits/lumps, but how am I supposed to keep up with others?

Apologies, Denis, for slightly hijacking your thread.