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Touty · Saturday 2nd September 2006, 17:30

What in heaven's name is this (see attached photo)? Perhaps it would have been easier if it had been flowering but two reasonably competent botanists (well one very good, and one crap) can't even get it to family. It was in a periodically-flooded riverside hay meadow in limestone country in southern Slovenia this June ('06) where it was the dominant plant. If someone can take it to genus even with that we might be able to ID it. I sha'n't name the other naturalist to spare his blushes. Thx.

steve_nova · Sunday 3rd September 2006, 20:25

I must say, it does remind me of the sister genus to Veronica namely Veronicastrum. How tall was it?

Steve.

Touty · Monday 4th September 2006, 05:52

I see what you mean, looking at this foliage pic here:

http://www.ppdl.purdue.edu/PPDL/imag...onicastrum.jpg

My guess was some Scroff or other (Scrophulaceae): It was about 40-50cm tall in early June. There are no native Veronicastrums in this part of Europe.

Joern Lehmhus · Monday 4th September 2006, 07:38

BUT... doesn´t Veronicastrum allways have these whorls of leaves as shown in Touty´s link?

This plant doesn´t seem to have the leaves arranged that way, but not that easy to see. How were the leaves arranged, Touty?

Couldn´t this also be something from the Asteraceae?

Touty · Monday 4th September 2006, 08:38

Arranged in whorls of three. 120 degrees between each leaf.

Saturday 2nd September 2006, 17:30	#1
Touty Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Trieste, NE Italy Posts: 937 Blog Entries: 9	Flowering plant help! A toughie. What in heaven's name is this (see attached photo)? Perhaps it would have been easier if it had been flowering but two reasonably competent botanists (well one very good, and one crap) can't even get it to family. It was in a periodically-flooded riverside hay meadow in limestone country in southern Slovenia this June ('06) where it was the dominant plant. If someone can take it to genus even with that we might be able to ID it. I sha'n't name the other naturalist to spare his blushes. Thx. Attached Thumbnails

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Sunday 3rd September 2006, 20:25	#2
steve_nova Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,858	I must say, it does remind me of the sister genus to Veronica namely Veronicastrum. How tall was it? Steve.

Monday 4th September 2006, 05:52	#3
Touty Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Trieste, NE Italy Posts: 937 Blog Entries: 9	I see what you mean, looking at this foliage pic here: http://www.ppdl.purdue.edu/PPDL/imag...onicastrum.jpg My guess was some Scroff or other (Scrophulaceae): It was about 40-50cm tall in early June. There are no native Veronicastrums in this part of Europe.

Monday 4th September 2006, 07:38	#4
Joern Lehmhus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 3,614	BUT... doesn´t Veronicastrum allways have these whorls of leaves as shown in Touty´s link? This plant doesn´t seem to have the leaves arranged that way, but not that easy to see. How were the leaves arranged, Touty? Couldn´t this also be something from the Asteraceae?

Monday 4th September 2006, 08:38	#5
Touty Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Trieste, NE Italy Posts: 937 Blog Entries: 9	Arranged in whorls of three. 120 degrees between each leaf.

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