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apocaliste · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 04:21

Hello,

I've been touring in France and England for almost three month. Back home in Canada, I blocked on this picture for ID. I know it is not the best quality. Despite that it says 2005, the picture was taken on the 30th of july 2006 at Villars-Les-Dombes in France. You can see the picture here .

Thank you in advance.
Rebecca - Montreal

Klant · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 07:16

Can't really be much else than long-tailed tit.

cuckooroller · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 07:32

Rebecca, yes agree with Klant.

bitterntwisted · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 07:37

Definitely Long Tailed Tit, Aegithalos caudatus.

apocaliste · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitterntwisted

Definitely Long Tailed Tit, Aegithalos caudatus.

I feel like a fool for not clicking for it teh eh! I really dont know much the european birds but I start to. Thanx!

cinclus · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 15:54

iIdon't agree. The body is slender and the head too. Long tailed tit has a more rounded and bulky body.
The tail is squared, and the throat black so the bird is a white wagtail.

Umberto

Tranquility Base · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinclus

iIdon't agree. The body is slender and the head too. Long tailed tit has a more rounded and bulky body.
The tail is squared, and the throat black so the bird is a white wagtail.

Umberto

Sorry Umberto: less Frascati!
It's a Long-tailed Tit!

marklhawkes · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tranquility Base

Sorry Umberto: less Frascati!
It's a Long-tailed Tit!

I agree. It IS a Long-tailed Tit - not often you find a White Wagtail deep in a bush either. The head is turned, making the throat appeat dark, but this is the birds supercilium.Also visible is the large white crown patch on the top of the head, characteristic of Long-tailed Tit.

Mark

MSA · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 17:15

If it's a LTTit, why is there extensive black on lower cheeks and under bill, as well as on crown? White Wag in an odd place for me!

marklhawkes · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSA

If it's a LTTit, why is there extensive black on lower cheeks and under bill, as well as on crown? White Wag in an odd place for me!

How do you explain the pink tinge to the flanks then? Also the white edges to the outer tail feathers are staggered, because the outer most tail feather is shorter then then next tail feather inwards - just like the graduated tail of a Long-tailed Tit

Mark

MSA · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by marklhawkes

How do you explain the pink tinge to the flanks then? Also the white edges to the outer tail feathers are staggered, because the outer most tail feather is shorter then then next tail feather inwards - just like the graduated tail of a Long-tailed Tit

Mark

My post was written before I saw your post, and looking at the bird again I'm even more confused! I cannot see any pink tinge on my monitor, maybe simply a limitation of my laptop, but to my eye it's a White Wag with a LTTit's rear end! I took the bird to be looking towards the photographer (I think its eye is part visible, but mostly behind a twig) and the black on chin to be just that, not shadow; the body also looks long for LLTit to me, and that's what made me think White Wag. Now, looking properly at the tail, that feature looks like LTTit. I'm going to retreat gracefully from this one.

Keith Reeder · Sunday 22nd October 2006, 20:17

LTT unquestionably.

The pink flush is there on my monitor, and - if you zoom into the image (a very handy Firefox plug-in, this!

) - there's no question about ID. We're looking at a lottie with its head turned away from the camera.

Klant · Monday 23rd October 2006, 17:38

When I first saw the pic, for about 1/100th of a sec, I thought white wagtail. But the tail is WAY too long, and it also has a "fluffyness" to it that you wouln't see in a white wagtail.

cinclus · Monday 23rd October 2006, 20:09

Just to say that I understood my mistake and I'm sorry for my previous thought.

Umberto

windig · Monday 23rd October 2006, 20:28

Here is a long tailed tit that looked in exactly the same direction when I clicked...

Sunday 22nd October 2006, 04:21	#1
apocaliste Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 4	Help ID, France Bird Hello, I've been touring in France and England for almost three month. Back home in Canada, I blocked on this picture for ID. I know it is not the best quality. Despite that it says 2005, the picture was taken on the 30th of july 2006 at Villars-Les-Dombes in France. You can see the picture here . Thank you in advance. Rebecca - Montreal

Sunday 22nd October 2006, 07:32	#3
cuckooroller Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Amelia, Italy Posts: 4,906 My location	Rebecca, yes agree with Klant. __________________ ________________ Steve Pryor Oriental Bird Club Neotropical Bird Club

Sunday 22nd October 2006, 07:37	#4
bitterntwisted Graham Howard Shortt Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire, England Posts: 4,694	Definitely Long Tailed Tit, Aegithalos caudatus.
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Sunday 22nd October 2006, 17:15	#9
MSA I may be relaxed but I'm not drunk.... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 2,566	If it's a LTTit, why is there extensive black on lower cheeks and under bill, as well as on crown? White Wag in an odd place for me! __________________ Mark I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself. (DH Lawrence) http://www.chog.org.uk
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Sunday 22nd October 2006, 20:17	#12
Keith Reeder Watch the birdie... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blyth, Northumberland, NE England Posts: 11,038 My location	LTT unquestionably. The pink flush is there on my monitor, and - if you zoom into the image (a very handy Firefox plug-in, this! ) - there's no question about ID. We're looking at a lottie with its head turned away from the camera. __________________ Keith Reeder Canon 7D, Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 OS, TCs. www.capture-the-moment.co.uk
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Sunday 22nd October 2006, 07:16	#2
Klant Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 178	Can't really be much else than long-tailed tit.

Sunday 22nd October 2006, 15:54	#6
cinclus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: como, italy Posts: 35	iIdon't agree. The body is slender and the head too. Long tailed tit has a more rounded and bulky body. The tail is squared, and the throat black so the bird is a white wagtail. Umberto

Monday 23rd October 2006, 17:38	#13
Klant Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 178	When I first saw the pic, for about 1/100th of a sec, I thought white wagtail. But the tail is WAY too long, and it also has a "fluffyness" to it that you wouln't see in a white wagtail.

Monday 23rd October 2006, 20:09	#14
cinclus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: como, italy Posts: 35	Just to say that I understood my mistake and I'm sorry for my previous thought. Umberto

Monday 23rd October 2006, 20:28	#15
windig Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 169	Here is a long tailed tit that looked in exactly the same direction when I clicked... Attached Thumbnails

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