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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:06   #1
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Grebe spp

seen today at dawlish at about 1mile distance
sorry about pics but it was the best i could do
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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:15   #2
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I'd guess at red-necked, but am quite prepared to be shot down in flames.
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I concur Keith, it looks like a red-necked grebe. Its obviously one of the 2 longer necked grebes and appears to have a black cap which would rule out Great Crested.
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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:22   #4
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I'd second that. The red neck helps! And the large size rules out any of the other smaller grebes.
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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:25   #5
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on the basis of the red neck and it's a grebe
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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:27   #6
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Alright- fair enough- i hadnt opened all the pics, it has a red neck.
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This is where having a colour vision defect really starts to bug you. So... in the picture the bird has a red neck??? I was working on the picture being black and white.
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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:29   #8
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* Puts head above parapet *

Must admit, my initial impression and one that I can't see any reason to change is that this is a moulting Slavonian Grebe. The shape, particularly the small bill, seems much better for this than the larger species. Slavonian can look remarkably 'Red-necked-like' at this time of year.
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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:37   #9
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* Puts head above parapet *

Must admit, my initial impression and one that I can't see any reason to change is that this is a moulting Slavonian Grebe. The shape, particularly the small bill, seems much better for this than the larger species. Slavonian can look remarkably 'Red-necked-like' at this time of year.
it could quite possibly be both as there were two or three grebes around at the same time.all diving all the time.definatley slav grebe there but as they were so distant and diving all the time i just kept snapping and decided to check photos out when i got home
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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 18:38   #10
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that'll teach me to open my gob so quickly.

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Old Saturday 17th March 2007, 19:44   #11
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Head's got the 'pinched' look of a Slav, and I think RNG would have a larger bill showing some colour? Wouldn't put any money on it, though.
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I'd say Slav grebe. There are plenty at Dawlish and I would've thought a Red-necked would have shown some yellow on the bill - even at that distance.

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I'd say Slav grebe. There are plenty at Dawlish and I would've thought a Red-necked would have shown some yellow on the bill - even at that distance.

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red-necked was first impression but looking through the rest of the pics made me think slav or black-necked. look at those big red eyes!
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First impression is Slav....and that's what I think it is. Not fat necked enough for a RNG plus head/bill is wrong.... I guess the hint of summer wear on its neck is misleading, don't forget summer plumage Slavs have Red-necks too!!!
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Doh!

Got to say though that it was the thin neck that made me think Red Necked Grebe. I didn't think the smaller grebes necks were that long or thin. Also, I figured the cheeks were too dark for Slav. But what do I know, lol.

Just to help me out, could someone give me some pointers on IDing the less common grebes. I've always had problems with them, especially as they tend to be miles away, out to sea. Is body and neck shape not the best feature to look for?

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Agree with Slav. Cant see a red neck at all?!
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I'd say Slav grebe. There are plenty at Dawlish and I would've thought a Red-necked would have shown some yellow on the bill - even at that distance.

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I agree this is a Slavonian Grebe. In addition to the yellow bill base, as Darrell says, I would expect the foreneck to be much more extensive dusky; in addition wp red-necked at distance is a "brown" bird (with paler cheeks) - this is a "grey-and-white" grebe with a small straight bill and white cheeks, thus slavonian.

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Doh!

Got to say though that it was the thin neck that made me think Red Necked Grebe. I didn't think the smaller grebes necks were that long or thin. Also, I figured the cheeks were too dark for Slav. But what do I know, lol.

Just to help me out, could someone give me some pointers on IDing the less common grebes. I've always had problems with them, especially as they tend to be miles away, out to sea. Is body and neck shape not the best feature to look for?

Thanks, and sorry if this detracts from the original thread!

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Jason, have you got a copy of the Macmillan Guide to Bird Identification? Page 12-15 gives excellent comparisons to RN,Slav and BN grebes.

According to this guide "the simplest way of seperating BN and Slavs is overall shape and amount of black on head" Slav may suggest a mini GC grebe, with low forehead, flat crown and peak at rear of head. The back is also quite flat and rear end tends to taper off into water. BN is a more rounded and fluffier looking bird with a high steeply sloping forehead. The whole shape is strongly suggestive of Little grebe. Slav has a straight bill with light tip, BN's is upturned and black. RN is bigger than Slav, has yellow bill (in juvs) yellow base in winter adult. Much less 'black and white' than the other two. The main confusion is BN and Slav at a distance and/or choppy water! Hope this helps. The Macmillan guide was first published in 1989. It was the last work of the late Laurel Tucker. Its well worth getting hold of a copy. Its the only field guide i always have with me and is my copy is very well worn, Happy Hunting!
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same head shape (but full winter)

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Classic ID Thread!

Everyone can see all sorts of clinching features (such as a red neck, which my monitor certainly does not),and its a Red-necked; a few 'I agrees' and then an informed dissenting voice and we're off to a different species, Slavonian

Looks like a Horned Grebe to me...
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having now had a thorough browse through the photos and the time to ruminate, i agree with Slav/horned grebe. Apologies for being a misleading numpty
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