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Old Friday 3rd August 2007, 10:34   #101
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very basic shaded object - try to decide the line of change(from dark to light) - this changes incrementally as the light source moves from behind (back-lighting) to front (flood). The starkness of the change is dirctly related to the angle of the light source (almost - but gets a bit complicated). Also - and most critical for colourwork - is the effect reflected light has on the object (may often make undersides of most 'shaded' parts quite bright!
I am looong overdue for a few lessons in the basics and that's one of them- a much appreciated bit of teaching.

When I did last year's Spoonie for BirdsKorea my father-in law (art lecturer and not birder) buttonholed me to say that in order to give convincing form, the lower belly of a wader should be rendered bright due to reflected light, with the shading positioned closer to lower-mid. What does he know..

The other thing that interested me a lot in your skua demo was the "drawing from the inside" approach, with some basic form and shading first and outline second. I've never ever thought of doing anyything other than outline first- is the skua TW's personal approach, or the orthodox?
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Old Friday 3rd August 2007, 10:41   #102
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Ed - I personally feel drawing is as individual as, say, handwriting. Just do it how it comes to you. Yes we all need to know how to make the 'letter-shapes' (I suppose this is the bit that can be 'taught'), but the way the hands and arms move is as individual as your fingerprints. That's what makes it special.
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Old Friday 3rd August 2007, 15:25   #103
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Ed - I personally feel drawing is as individual as, say, handwriting. Just do it how it comes to you. Yes we all need to know how to make the 'letter-shapes' (I suppose this is the bit that can be 'taught'), but the way the hands and arms move is as individual as your fingerprints. That's what makes it special.
Thats great Tim a perfect way of putting it. You seem to have
an ability to make your points well. err somit I aint good at!

I've always drawn instinctively I suppose being self taught
to a large degree helps you define a style more easily.
A way , of Drawing as apposed to the way to draw if there is such a
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Can't argue with you gents above- but any hints on how it is generally done still appreciated by an untutored randomist like me.

So I did have bit more of a muse on Tim's "line of change" insight over lunch. Here's a quick try out with just a little dragged ribena but no biro frenzy- reconstruction of another fine and surreal 1980s twitching moment when a big fat bloke ambled up to the White-crowned Black Wheatear at Kessingland dump and started smashing up a fridge with a hammer. I quite like the way the bird's head is repeated in the contours of his sweaty armpit ..
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Old Friday 3rd August 2007, 23:52   #105
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Outrageously good, young man! - (You have to give serious thought to the Bird Memoires - I would be honoured to write the intro!!!!!
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excellent! An inspiration for me to perhaps finally paint an osprey flying over a naked German flying a kite on a beach in the Canaries.
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excellent! An inspiration for me to perhaps finally paint an osprey flying over a naked German flying a kite on a beach in the Canaries.
Back on the strong cheese again Nick?

Seriously nice drawing Ed.

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Can't argue with you gents above- but any hints on how it is generally done still appreciated by an untutored randomist like me.

So I did have bit more of a muse on Tim's "line of change" insight over lunch. Here's a quick try out with just a little dragged ribena but no biro frenzy- reconstruction of another fine and surreal 1980s twitching moment when a big fat bloke ambled up to the White-crowned Black Wheatear at Kessingland dump and started smashing up a fridge with a hammer. I quite like the way the bird's head is repeated in the contours of his sweaty armpit ..
This just begs to be followed up by your unforgettable 'Man practising kung fu in council flat behind Hudwit at Blacktoft', as featured in 'Not BB' many moons ago. I tried to find the pic online, but sadly didn't succeed. Perhaps you could reproduce it here as the next in your series of surreal moments in British Twitching History?

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Ed that is quite stupendous!! I don't know how you do it.
please more of the same.
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Can't argue with you gents above- but any hints on how it is generally done still appreciated by an untutored randomist like me.

So I did have bit more of a muse on Tim's "line of change" insight over lunch. Here's a quick try out with just a little dragged ribena but no biro frenzy- reconstruction of another fine and surreal 1980s twitching moment when a big fat bloke ambled up to the White-crowned Black Wheatear at Kessingland dump and started smashing up a fridge with a hammer. I quite like the way the bird's head is repeated in the contours of his sweaty armpit ..
Before I read the post I enlarged the pic on my screen, and the following caption entered my head!...

''Heartless old farmer has personal epiphany and resolves to destroy larson trap to free the magpies''

Think I've probably been out in the sun too much recently

Fantastic drawing

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Hello all. Just to breath a little life into my thread- no new creative initiatives this week but finally managed to find space for a BIG old workbench to be slid into my shed. Amongst the crap to be cleared out the way was a long abandoned kite carving/model (head too big) which had the honour of first incumbent of my new BIG vice. So in a pulp fiction kind of way I drilled its eyes out and rasped its cheeks off just to let it know I was back in business and it felt good to have the old Black and Decker whirring again. A couple of shots attached just to show how radically wing shape changes with a slight shift in angle of view.
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Old Monday 13th August 2007, 06:47   #112
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Tim nailed it when talking about giving pointers. It really is so individual.
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Fantastic workspace Ed - are you renting space out???? The two images of the kite are lessons in perspective and foreshortening. It looks to be heading the right way, too (what's the medium?). Very nice.
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Fantastic workspace Ed - are you renting space out???? The two images of the kite are lessons in perspective and foreshortening. It looks to be heading the right way, too (what's the medium?). Very nice.
I'm blessed with some very nice space to work in but not currently spending enough time in it. Posting on here is in part an effort to top up the guilt burden to the point where I tiptoe out there more often.

The kite is brass sheet and epoxy clay on wire (same as a B-t Diver I posted a while back in similar unfinished condition), and had neat little black and yellow glass eyes until yesterday's drilling session.
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Old Sunday 19th August 2007, 23:34   #115
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Hello all. Nod still nodding but nearly done (the Nodmeister has seen it and said "waou" which either means "good" or "please stop"..)

and I've blown the dust off the starter for what will be my reward when the Nod is done- a big splooshy Polish landscape.

But it will be a start from scratch job- the attached began some years ago as a perfectly dull but harmless watercoloury job and then got enmired in pointless detail about half way down the page when I foolishly scanned it onto the computah and started cloning clumps of sedge.

So an object lesson in how not to marry old and new techniques. It is going to get tossed in the bin in this form and reenacted on a biiiiiig wet piece of paper using my newly discovered freedom to just throw stuff at paper (for which continuing thanks to this forum).

The birds I've just splatted on for fun here as part of the restart process and a reminder of what I was planning to do- there will be a big swirling mass of WWB Terns, a Bluethroat and a Corncrake all recreating a rather lovely walk down a wet track on a June morning some years ago.
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Hello all. Nod still nodding but nearly done (the Nodmeister has seen it and said "waou" which either means "good" or "please stop"..)

and I've blown the dust off the starter for what will be my reward when the Nod is done- a big splooshy Polish landscape.

But it will be a start from scratch job- the attached began some years ago as a perfectly dull but harmless watercoloury job and then got enmired in pointless detail about half way down the page when I foolishly scanned it onto the computah and started cloning clumps of sedge.

So an object lesson in how not to marry old and new techniques. It is going to get tossed in the bin in this form and reenacted on a biiiiiig wet piece of paper using my newly discovered freedom to just throw stuff at paper (for which continuing thanks to this forum).

The birds I've just splatted on for fun here as part of the restart process and a reminder of what I was planning to do- there will be a big swirling mass of WWB Terns, a Bluethroat and a Corncrake all recreating a rather lovely walk down a wet track on a June morning some years ago.
Intriguing. Like the backgrounds we used to get to stick 'transfers' onto when I was a kid, or maybe the backdrop for a "Where's Wally?" (bird-equivalent) picture!

Nodshank looks accomplished, in every sense!

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Agree with Dave - the Nodshank is superb - well worth the painstaking effort, excellent.
Actually I love the landscape and wouldn't bin it myself (I obviously have a lower personal expectation level than you!) - but I am looking forward to the new version immensely. Get on with it then . . .
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There was one more from the weekend- a gorgeous and ultra-whizzy Hobby that flew alongside me as I drove to the station, so close that it was almost looking into the car.
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Probably looking to pick that blue-tailed damselfly sticking out from under your wipers!
Super drawing - how's the marshscape?
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Probably looking to pick that blue-tailed damselfly sticking out from under your wipers!
Super drawing - how's the marshscape?
Nice thought re Hobby- I've done so little birding over the summer I thought that maybe it had come to find me.
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love the hobby, is he admiring his reflection in the wing mirror!? It's nice when the birds come and find you for a change.
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Hello all. I thought I would share a current artistic dilemma since the forum is on such kindly and helpful form (not that it is ever anything but).

I heard overnight from the Nodmeister in South Korea and he is happy with the Nod, which now exists in a week 1 May and week 4 May plumage and can be mouse-click moulted from one to the other.

But he has rightly queried the backdrop/background..

Choices are-

1. Turn it into some real crabby wormy mud (Nodmeister's preference, but would take a bit of work to execute and feet would have to disappear)

OR

2. Stick with a coloured backdrop, but choose a new colour so it is less ambiguous whether it is backdrop or real mud (something from Dave B's pallette of zingy background colours possibly) Logically the shadow would have to go, if colour is to be a true backdrop, which seems a shame.

OR

3. Stick the bird onto a stylised map, like last year's Spoonie (which I don't like as a pic of the bird, but do like as a design)

Views from all or any welcome though I can't promise in advance to go with the majority view!
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Hi Ed,

personally, as this is an information piece rather than a 'real' picture, I think I would go with the map. It just gives a nice graphic feel to the whole thing leaving it uncluttered for the plumage detail (which is brilliant by the way) to take centre stage.

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Hi Ed,

personally, as this is an information piece rather than a 'real' picture, I think I would go with the map. It just gives a nice graphic feel to the whole thing leaving it uncluttered for the plumage detail (which is brilliant by the way) to take centre stage.

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Have you thought about bringing some water in? Seems that has the flexibility to be stylized or 'realistic', and almost infinite potential for colour. Of course, the feet may have to go (unless the water is clear, but that gets quite tricky!), but then, I rarely see NGs on the deck out of water.

The map idea is good too, except that you've already done one for the same 'client'!
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