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Old Friday 30th March 2007, 03:11   #1
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help with ID

this is not a good photo but I think its a Eurasian Wigeon
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Old Friday 30th March 2007, 03:26   #2
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Definitely a drake Eurasion Wigeon. Congrats, I'm still looking for my first one here!
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Nice shots!

I too am still waiting to see my first Eurasian Wigeon here in the US!
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Not sure, it looks closer to being an American Wigeon but not 100%. However, it could be a hybrid.
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Definitely a drake Eurasion Wigeon. Congrats, I'm still looking for my first one here!
thanks Dave first time iv seen one its not a good shot but you take what you can get he was in with a lot of American Wigeons hope that helps
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We may have to wait until our friends across the pond weigh in on this one to see if it is a pure Eurasian Wigeon or perhaps a hybrid. (I suspect there might need to some vermiculations on the sides of the bird to make it more "Eurasian").

It is definitely not an American Wigeon.
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Old Friday 30th March 2007, 05:18   #7
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For me this seems to be a hybrid (to what degree American or Eurasian, I can't say with any amount of certainty). The first thing most birders'll look for is that rufousy-orange face, but what's important to note are the patchy cheek, defined eye-line, more white than buffy forehead, and the pink-orangy fluidness to the flank coloration. The hybrids between these two species are variable. Check out some of these:

http://www.azfo.org/gallery/eurxamerScottsdale.html
http://www.azfo.org/gallery/eurxamer.html
http://www.birdphotographique.com/im...pdorus-500.jpg
http://www.birdphotographique.com/im...pdorus-500.jpg
http://www.rshantz.com/Animals/Birds...n/HyWigeon.htm
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Old Friday 30th March 2007, 05:44   #8
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Hi All,

Perhaps my eyes are deceiving me, but I see two different males in these pictures. The first one is a Eurasian Wigeon and the second one is a hybrid.

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Perhaps my eyes are deceiving me, but I see two different males in these pictures. The first one is a Eurasian Wigeon and the second one is a hybrid.

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Huh! I dismissed it as maybe a light issue before, but considering the head and the flank differences now, I think you're right, Chris. Most of my comments regarding hybrid where referring to photo2...

1 = Eurasian, 2 = hybrid
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Old Friday 30th March 2007, 06:46   #10
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Thumbs up eurasian wegion,perliactic migrant to east africa?

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Definitely a drake Eurasion Wigeon. Congrats, I'm still looking for my first one here!
Okey,just wanted to find out if the eurasian wegion you are talking of is the Anas penelope.we get them here during the winters up there,mainly between Nov-feb.
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The second is definitely a hybrid- you can see the combination of patterns on the head- the first looks pure but i have a nagging suspicion about it but cant put my finger on why- considering how many thousands of Eurasian Wigeon ive scanned this winter looking for the American variety :)
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The second is definitely a hybrid- you can see the combination of patterns on the head- the first looks pure but i have a nagging suspicion about it but cant put my finger on why- considering how many thousands of Eurasian Wigeon ive scanned this winter looking for the American variety :)

I agree the second is a hybrid, the first looks OK to me. Can the finder please explain how he photographed two obviously different birds and presented them initially as one?

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Okey,just wanted to find out if the eurasian wegion you are talking of is the Anas penelope.
Yes - Anas penelope
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I agree the second is a hybrid, the first looks OK to me. Can the finder please explain how he photographed two obviously different birds and presented them initially as one?

John
My mistake when i posted I didnt releize they were different sorry. I looked at Flickr for Eurasian Wigeon at ALL of them and wow you might change your mind maybe about the hybrid maybe not.

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My mistake when i posted I didnt releize they were different sorry. I looked at Flickr for Eurasian Wigeon at ALL of them and wow you might change your mind maybe about the hybrid maybe not.
The hybrid is definitely not a Eurasian Wigeon, and I cannot see any reason it is not American x Eurasian Wigeon. The other bird has everything in place for Eurasian Wigeon and, while I can see Hotspur's point that the jizz is somehow not perfect, I think it's just an odd angle and for me this is a Eurasian Wigeon.

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this is not a good photo but I think its a Eurasian Wigeon
Tripod, your bird is definately a drake American x Eurasian Wigeon hybrid. Note the flank colour and two-tone pattern on the side of the head.
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Tripod, your bird is definately a drake American x Eurasian Wigeon hybrid. Note the flank colour and two-tone pattern on the side of the head.
OK thanks guys Im a rookie just starting
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OK thanks guys Im a rookie just starting
Um, I'd go with the two bird theory.

The first pic shows a Eurasian Wigeon.

The second bird is most certainly an American x Eurasian hybrid. We get stacks of those hybrids over here in Japan, when isolated drake American Wigeon pair up with female Eurasian and go crazy producing hybrid young.

The first bird may look more like the Eurasian Wigeon we get in Japan, which have a hint of green in the face. Guess if the pics were taken in Seattle, then chances are it is a wandering Eurasian Wigeon from Asia.

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Perhaps my eyes are deceiving me, but I see two different males in these pictures. The first one is a Eurasian Wigeon and the second one is a hybrid.

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No your eyes dont deceive you these have got to be two different birds and your right pic 1 Eurasian Wigeon
pic 2 Eurasian X American
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