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lutz6lucker · Friday 25th October 2002, 21:45

..another mystery digiscoped on Helgoland island/FRG on Oct. 17th! Unusual Visitor from Scandeinavia.

Stuart · Friday 25th October 2002, 22:04

Shall I try and guess or wait for others to look at it first ??

lutz6lucker · Saturday 26th October 2002, 07:45

...since it is quite an easy guess, could you please wait another day or two?'¨¨ Thanks
Lutz

Harry Hussey · Saturday 26th October 2002, 16:51

Hi Lutz,
I shall also refrain from identifying the bird,but I know what it is!Nice birds,have seen 2 of them here in Ireland.....
Harry

dylan · Saturday 26th October 2002, 18:34

well I haven't got a the faintest idea!(if that helps:))

I'll have to have a mooch at my book.

Dylan.

SarahC · Saturday 26th October 2002, 19:46

Being in US all I can guess is somekind of a Grouse or someones escaped fancy Bantam

Reader · Saturday 26th October 2002, 20:47

I'm certain I know this bird. I tried to find some in the Cairngorms in Scotland this spring but failed. There were one or two DOTTED around the midlands but I didn't connect with them either. In fact I have only ever seen 4 of them over the years. Am I right, I will have to find out!!

Regards
John J

Helwith · Sunday 27th October 2002, 17:41

Too easy! A mystery bird?

lutz6lucker · Monday 28th October 2002, 21:09

Dear Birding Friends!
Sorry for submitting such an easy "mystery" bird¨! Of COURSE it was a Eurasian Dotterel!
I hope I did not hurt anybody's pride by asking such an obvious question. Too easy indeed!
However, I do think that identification of animal species CAN be extremely tricky and canNOT be learnt within just a few years. One of the best ways to acquire such skills is by playing "games", such as the mystery bird game.
I can understand that (quite) a few experts might sneer at "easy" problems, but what about numerous "newbies" who do not dare to voice their guesses or who get it wrong? I think we have to encourage those people to go on and try hard, ALSO by proposing seemingly "easy" photographs!
What is actually a difficult mystery bird photo? An out-of-focus, smallish pic? Should it be a pipit or a female wheatear? A leaf or acrocephalus warbler? The ones I submitted may be easy for British or Scandinavian birders, but things might have been VERY different for people in the U.S. (outside Alaska) and many other countries!
So what? Stop the game or go on?! Promise: next time I'll think twice before sending you another "easybird"!
Cheers
Lutz

***Steve*** · Monday 28th October 2002, 22:46

LUTZ,
PLEASE DONT STOP posting your mystery birds, I and many others look at your pics, regardless if they are easy or not, And ANY pic you post for ID, is good. Thank you for making this forum interesting. CARRY ON

If anyone else wants to post a brain teaser go ahead.

steve

Stuart · Monday 28th October 2002, 23:11

Yeah, hum bug to Chris.....

Its just good fun, dont let the nasty people get in the way

Keep posting and we will keep guessing !!!!!

dylan · Tuesday 29th October 2002, 00:52

I didn't get it!

Stuart · Tuesday 29th October 2002, 18:48

Try looking up waders, rather than game birds!!

That eye stripe joining at the back is a trade mark

Friday 25th October 2002, 21:45	#1
lutz6lucker Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lancy/Geneva Posts: 30	mystery bird ..another mystery digiscoped on Helgoland island/FRG on Oct. 17th! Unusual Visitor from Scandeinavia. Attached Thumbnails __________________ LutzL

Saturday 26th October 2002, 07:45	#3
lutz6lucker Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lancy/Geneva Posts: 30	mystery ...since it is quite an easy guess, could you please wait another day or two?'¨¨ Thanks Lutz __________________ LutzL

Monday 28th October 2002, 21:09	#9
lutz6lucker Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lancy/Geneva Posts: 30	"easy" mysteries Dear Birding Friends! Sorry for submitting such an easy "mystery" bird¨! Of COURSE it was a Eurasian Dotterel! I hope I did not hurt anybody's pride by asking such an obvious question. Too easy indeed! However, I do think that identification of animal species CAN be extremely tricky and canNOT be learnt within just a few years. One of the best ways to acquire such skills is by playing "games", such as the mystery bird game. I can understand that (quite) a few experts might sneer at "easy" problems, but what about numerous "newbies" who do not dare to voice their guesses or who get it wrong? I think we have to encourage those people to go on and try hard, ALSO by proposing seemingly "easy" photographs! What is actually a difficult mystery bird photo? An out-of-focus, smallish pic? Should it be a pipit or a female wheatear? A leaf or acrocephalus warbler? The ones I submitted may be easy for British or Scandinavian birders, but things might have been VERY different for people in the U.S. (outside Alaska) and many other countries! So what? Stop the game or go on?! Promise: next time I'll think twice before sending you another "easybird"! Cheers Lutz __________________ LutzL

Monday 28th October 2002, 22:46	#10
*Steve* Registered user Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Uk Posts: 76	mystery birds LUTZ, PLEASE DONT STOP posting your mystery birds, I and many others look at your pics, regardless if they are easy or not, And ANY pic you post for ID, is good. Thank you for making this forum interesting. CARRY ON If anyone else wants to post a brain teaser go ahead. steve __________________ http://www.birdforum.net

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Friday 25th October 2002, 22:04	#2
Stuart Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Telford, Shropshire Posts: 127	Shall I try and guess or wait for others to look at it first ??

Saturday 26th October 2002, 16:51	#4
Harry Hussey Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cork,Ireland Posts: 3,804	Hi Lutz, I shall also refrain from identifying the bird,but I know what it is!Nice birds,have seen 2 of them here in Ireland..... Harry

Saturday 26th October 2002, 18:34	#5
dylan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Surrey Posts: 469	well I haven't got a the faintest idea!(if that helps:)) I'll have to have a mooch at my book. Dylan.

Saturday 26th October 2002, 19:46	#6
SarahC Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arkansas US Posts: 239	Being in US all I can guess is somekind of a Grouse or someones escaped fancy Bantam

Saturday 26th October 2002, 20:47	#7
Reader Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Coventry Posts: 5,906	I'm certain I know this bird. I tried to find some in the Cairngorms in Scotland this spring but failed. There were one or two DOTTED around the midlands but I didn't connect with them either. In fact I have only ever seen 4 of them over the years. Am I right, I will have to find out!! Regards John J

Sunday 27th October 2002, 17:41	#8
Helwith Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Skipton Posts: 140	Too easy! A mystery bird?

Monday 28th October 2002, 23:11	#11
Stuart Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Telford, Shropshire Posts: 127	Yeah, hum bug to Chris..... Its just good fun, dont let the nasty people get in the way Keep posting and we will keep guessing !!!!!

Tuesday 29th October 2002, 00:52	#12
dylan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Surrey Posts: 469	I didn't get it!

Tuesday 29th October 2002, 18:48	#13
Stuart Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Telford, Shropshire Posts: 127	Try looking up waders, rather than game birds!! That eye stripe joining at the back is a trade mark

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