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Old Wednesday 18th July 2007, 20:43   #26
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Totally blown away by your fieldwork Andy.

Met Bruce Pearson once too. He was OK to chat to, he didn't put me or my work down except to say that I was 'walking the same path as everyone else' and I should try to be different. Sorry Bruce, I like the view from my path.

I've never gone in for SWLA based on that the comments from that meeting and the fact that I couldn't afford it!

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing more fieldwork from Morrocco or anywhere else for that matter!

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Strange comment from Bruce considering he's on a very similar path! I don't mean this in any derogatory way to you woody, but lets face it , its very difficult to be radically different when painting birds.!
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Old Friday 20th July 2007, 13:59   #27
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Guy's need some opinions on which sketch to take on for a
large painting I'm planning. Its going to be of Black bellied Sandgrouse
in flight there will be alot of movement in the piece but I'm struggling
to choose which of the drawings I've done so far to develope into the end
painting

Any Thoughts Welcome, Thanks Andy
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Old Friday 20th July 2007, 14:22   #28
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Lots of energy in these sketches. Well done!
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Old Friday 20th July 2007, 15:39   #29
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Guy's need some opinions on which sketch to take on for a
large painting I'm planning. Its going to be of Black bellied Sandgrouse
in flight there will be alot of movement in the piece but I'm struggling
to choose which of the drawings I've done so far to develope into the end
painting

Any Thoughts Welcome, Thanks Andy
My money would be on the second sketch with the birds coming out at the viewer. I know you've had success with similar viewpoints in the past and I reckon it would work just as well. The cropping on the left would be very brave and, just in my humble opinion, perhaps the 'headcropped' bird could be a little further out of frame? You are the master though and it's only my opinion. And I don't see a falcon in pursuit!

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Before I read Woodys reply I was also going to suggest the second one - less of a safe composition . Sure you can make it wark really well.
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second one for me too
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Old Friday 20th July 2007, 19:10   #32
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i think the first one would make a more realistic painting and the centre bird in the sketch is brilliant.
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second one for me, it's very dynamic indeed. Very envious of the sketches, all I ever managed of bb sandgrouse was an overhead sketch. Looking forward to seeing how this one develops.
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second one for me, it's very dynamic indeed. Very envious of the sketches, all I ever managed of bb sandgrouse was an overhead sketch. Looking forward to seeing how this one develops.
Another vote for the second one, though both are excellent!
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I like them both Andy - tremendous preparatory work, but in the second one, I'm sure I can hear the whistle of their wings!
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Second one is a lot more dynamic and has a lot more scope for depth. First sketch is great but it a lot flatter. Think the second helps convey these birds better with regard to speed and habitat will pose less problems in this comp as you can fade it out a little and not have to wory so much about it...
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Thanks Everyone for your coments and input.

" will go with the audience
chris on this one the answer is Sketch B."

Now I've got to start the Piece!!
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Guy's Thought I would carry on with some of my Morrocan field
work and start putting them into more finished paintings.

I have started the sandgrouse painting but not much to show you
on that one but I did get the Moussier's Redstart finished.
I wanted to try and keep the freshness of the field work
so did a composit piece using the field sketches.

Hope you like, Is there anything you would have done differently??

I am planning to do a full painting featuring the Moussier's but
still at the planning stage.

also to come a Hoopoe Lark and Others.
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Thanks Everyone for your coments and input.

" will go with the audience
chris on this one the answer is Sketch B."

Now I've got to start the Piece!!
I've just belatedly seen this (the sandgrouse)- very fine and another vote for B. One comment- the wing shapes and in particular the wingtips are very distinctly drawn on these- are you going to blur them in the painting, to give the birds yet more whizz?
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I've just belatedly seen this (the sandgrouse)- very fine and another vote for B. One comment- the wing shapes and in particular the wingtips are very distinctly drawn on these- are you going to blur them in the painting, to give the birds yet more whizz?
Probably Ed as I want to give the feeling of great speed and
movement. Funny some people love it or hate it when you
blur to suggest movement. Because its some thing I have developed
in my work onty in the last few years. (all my early stuff I think was
to stiff and wooden, the birds just hung in the air.) Some of my
clients only like my earlier pieces. But each to there own.

The important thing with art is not to stand still but
to be constantly re evaluating your work pushing in
slightly different directions. then your true style will
emerge.

I'll try and get the Sand grouse finished soon and post
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Stunning, now I feel I've got to make the effort and go to Morocco.
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Old Wednesday 1st August 2007, 18:06   #42
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excellent work! Nice contract and color. The composition is fun retaining the energy of the field sketches. What is the size medium?
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Probably Ed as I want to give the feeling of great speed and
movement. Funny some people love it or hate it when you
blur to suggest movement.
Yep- it can most definitely be overdone- depends a lot on the species. My retained mental image of a sandgrouse after it has gone past is pretty much of a distinctive body shape and no wings at all, rather as you get with a kingfisher. But as you say that isn't necessarily what a buyer of a fine painting wants to see..

Good luck with the work in progress!
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That Moussier's Redstart painting is awesome - I'm envious!
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excellent work! Nice contract and color. The composition is fun retaining the energy of the field sketches. What is the size medium?
Hi mattyb, The painting is roughly 40 cm x 57 cm on
gesso prepared board. I like working on board as I like the resistance
it gives when working on it and if you work carefully
with the Gesso primer you can achieve a really
smooth finish with hardly any tooth to it. I almost exclusively
use Acrylics, although I'm starting to do more oils now.
Thanks for the nice comments.
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Yep- it can most definitely be overdone- depends a lot on the species. My retained mental image of a sandgrouse after it has gone past is pretty much of a distinctive body shape and no wings at all, rather as you get with a kingfisher. But as you say that isn't necessarily what a buyer of a fine painting wants to see..

Good luck with the work in progress!
Thanks Ed, yep I agree with you on the subect of wing movement.
Auks are a good example when you see em for real flying
along its hard to pick,out the wings at all its almost insect like
but do you portray it litraly as you see it and on a large painting
say. not sure? I think it would look odd.

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It should not be cut and dried though and I like to see people
painting in a more expresive style ( eg Manfred Shatz ) sometimes
works really well.
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Guy's Thought I would carry on with some of my Morrocan field
work and start putting them into more finished paintings.
I soooo wish I could do something like this!!

To have field sketch/notes, detail and landscape in one painting is very effective. Seems on these forums more than anywhere else I see artists coming up with ever more ideas on how to present their work.

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I agree, Matt. The field sketch/painting combination is something I like to see and I prefer that style of presentation over a straight painting.
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See attached , quick drawing.
That certainly makes the point- I hadn't previously thought about size of painting as factor in how to render something like that but I can well see that what works well in a little whizzy sketch- I don't think anyone did whirring wings on auks until Jonsson's little vignettes- may well not work on the bigger set-piece canvas. Thanks for taking time out to illustrate.
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Wonderfully juicy chat piece, Andrew - utterly fabulous! I presume this goes straight onto the gallery wall?
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