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Old Saturday 4th August 2007, 18:21   #51
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I've seen this one before haven't I? Pretty sure it was in the gallery. I love the boldness of it, no need for landscape here, excellent use of colour.
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Old Saturday 4th August 2007, 21:25   #52
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Another ''signature'' piece..

You seem to be able to control the watercolours very well, do you paint them in one sitting or wait for some colours to dry before adding the next to stop them running into each other?

...or is that considered cheating

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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 00:31   #53
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Apologies Nick & Matt but I've removed the last few pics, they really weren't that good, tbh I need lots more practice at drawing birds I think before I can keep the thread supplied with decent paintings and sketches and there's still a quantum leap from my fieldnotes to the easel so to speak! I shall continue to enjoy other peoples work though
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Oi Deborah put those piccies back please ! I was just warming to them and now they`ve gone.
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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 01:03   #55
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Oi Deborah put those piccies back please ! I was just warming to them and now they`ve gone.
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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 11:13   #56
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Oh no! Rule one - the artist is not allowed to like their own work and must always hate. Rule two, we like your pictures very much so please put them back!

Of course, Deborah, you must do as you wish, if you feel there is a lot of improvement to make, this is good, no matter what level an artist reaches, there is always something new to learn and improvements to make. However, the fact we all have imporvements to make does not mean that your work is not up to 'standard', that egret to me is a sublime piece that inspired me the first time I saw it and inspired me again when it put in its fleeting visit. (I'll keep twitching the thread for it and hope it'll be relocated! :-) )
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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 16:13   #57
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She can remove them if she wants cos the next ones will be even better.
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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 18:33   #58
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She can remove them if she wants cos the next ones will be even better.
LOL!

Seriously though, and especially Nick who's been incredibly supportive, I'm not actually trying to be an 'artist' - I gave up any idea of that many years ago when I realised it's something you must do and do and do to get even close to that definition, regardless of one's skills/ability! It's also a state of being that requires a passion. I don't have that! All my passion when into conservation and enviromentalism to help protect the very source of my inspiration in the first place and more latterly, birdwatching. In truth, the word ''artist'' makes me cringe if it's applied to me! All I do is paint and draw from time to time if I'm in the mood - which is not very often. I couldn't even call it a serious hobby compared to the effort I put into birdwatching! I do enjoy dabbling from time to time for my own pleasure, but nothing like with the serious intent that others do on this Forum. It's a little embarrasing to have these attempts referred to as ''work'' along with the real work going on elsewhere on the Forum. 'Work' implies for me, really something you do if you're an artist or take any creative pursuit seriously with the intent of continuously stretching yourself. IMO, you need the output for that and for the output, you need passion. I have neither. So in short, it all seems a bit fraudulent!!

Having said all that, I will post up something if i think people might like it (which might be better than the previous attempts, Joanne ) - I've actually done quite a lot of posters/cards etc for charity events but I don't think they'd appeal on a Fine Art Forum. Anyway, please don't hold your breath for daily sketch books, works of 'art', or passionate discussions about my non-existant ''work''

My biggest joy on this Forum is seeing other peoples work, and I think that's what I prefer to look at!

(It's all Tim's fault for showing me his stunning work and it's inter-connectedness to the beautiful location of Orkney - he inadvertently huffed and puffed on a little flame that by rights, is better to be left flickering gently in the background - and then along comes Nick with his work and more fuel is added!)

Apologies for the long post, didn't want people to think I'm being ungrateful or unappreciative, just thought I'd explain my take on it - if I have an Epiphany, I'll let you know!!

Ps. I dropped out of Art College after one Foundation Year - I really was c*ap in those days

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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 19:58   #59
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I've actually done quite a lot of posters/cards etc for charity events but I don't think they'd appeal on a Fine Art Forum.
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Despite the fact that there are some disgustingly talented people on this forum, it is not a ''fine art'' forum ..I think of it more as a meeting place for people who paint with varying styles, techniques, aproaches and abilities. I've never once senced any discouraging remarks on this part of the forum regarding other peoples work and ideas and that is what make it so enjoyable ..for those who paint and those who don't.

It's at least important that you recognize the fact that your Dipper and Pintail alone are genuinely bloody good little paintings and something to be proud of.

Come back to this thread and post something as and when you feel comfortable to ..in the meantime just have fun with it!!

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For what it's worth, Deborah, I am one of those very impressed by your work. I really think it's excellent and I'd love to see more.
My views on art are, as long as you're enjoying what you do then that's the most important thing.
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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 21:46   #61
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Deborah, whatever you feel about your paintings, how much they mean to you or otherwise, or what your stance is on being an artist and all the other philosophical things etc, you're very welcome on here and whenever you feel like you have something to add, please do. As you say, you enjoy looking at others' pictures on here, and so do the rest of us, your pictures have brought us pleasure, and I hope that as and when you can, you'll continue to add them. I'll admit that I'm a bit of an art freak and spend most of my time painting at the moment, though last year, I did about 5 paintings all year (my weekly output at the moment). Looking forward to seeing some more of your stuff soon.
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Old Sunday 5th August 2007, 22:51   #62
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Deborah, I find the style of your work (yes,work) refreshing and if you hadn't said you just dabble every now and again I would not have guessed, you have real talent.
Don't get bogged down with all the jargon, they're just words, be self critical by all means, we all are, but these threads have people of all stages of development who have their own particular talent and yes some artists who you or I will never get near to in the terms of brilliance, but hey, as long as you enjoy doing it, others will enjoy looking at it, no-one looks down on anyone else, as a producer of art we're all in it together. keep enjoying the forums, participating makes it all the better for everyone, don't be afraid or think your work is not as deserving as anyone elses because you don't class yourself as an artist. We all just enjoy making images of the birds we see, and find inspiration from others, simple as that.
Sorry that's my second rant this evening, too much coffee and not enough sleep I think.
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Old Monday 6th August 2007, 01:34   #63
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Sorry to have 'stirred you up' Deborah, but I'm glad it had that effect - I genuinely think you have a talent and, moreover, a passion for wildlife art (the proof is in the preceding posts and the comments which they have aroused). However, i know exactly where you're coming from (having not painted a single piece for nearly a month now - oh, except yours, Nick) - and sometimes the 'burden' of having to produce stuff, just gets in the way of the pleasure of producing stuff.
I look forward to your contributions - be they written, pictorial, musical or dance -I have NO doubt they will be entertaining and stimulating.
Still adore the seals sketch!
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So you`re not going to put the piccies back up then........LOL
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Old Sunday 12th August 2007, 01:20   #65
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Went to Rye Harbour today - didn't really get round to doing much sketching - same old problem, too busy finding birds and moving on ...

just a fieldnote (literally!) of a RC Pochard eclipse and the only thing I did actually attempt to sketch while holding binos in one hand and pencil etc in other, a Turtle Dove which was really too far away on pylons - (used spit). Also an attempt at a gull sketch while on beach the other day but had dog on lead and he wouldn't keep still:
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Old Sunday 12th August 2007, 15:01   #66
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I really like these Deb...

The Turtle Dove and Gull especialy, Multiple studies of different postures always work well, I think it was Tim who once commentd on your Hen Harrier sketch from your scottish trip as being particularly fine draughtsmanship
..well you gull is of the same quality in my opinion.

Glad you're adding to your thread again

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These are beautiful - especially like the turtle dove - never seen one myself.
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Lol! Didn't 'delete' the pochard exactly, just replace the fieldnote with a colour sketch done later from memory & a rather blurred photo - unfortunately I have no clear photos to work from for a detailed painting and can't find anything online to show feather detail - may try a few more another time.

For me, it was seeing both eclipsed RC and Turtle Doves, which is a bit of a novelty here, that made me want to record it but gonna need a lot more than a few rough field sketches for a decent painting!

Thanks Wendy - appreciate your comments
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More HG - guess is this getting boring!?
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Good to see you're still posting your sketches Deborah, love your colourwork and the character of the gulls shines through in your sketches, excellent.
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Not at all boring! Wonderful sketches.

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Cheers Woody & Mouldy - it's a test of endurance not to delete stuff within a few hours of posting it!!! There seems to be a bl**dy large psychological step between leaving the stuff in a sketchpad and posting it on the internet LOL! Only have to look out the bedroom window to see HG - nowt else about but they do have interesting personalities/social behaviour so maybe make good subjects to practice drawing on.
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Great to see such in-depth study going on, Deborah. You're really getting these birds right - the second page here is particularly excellent (as they all are). If you re-read Ennion, in 'the Living Birds' he talks of getting to know birds on an individual level - as you would, say a footballer - in that you get to know the way an individual moves, not just the species. I think you're getting some of that 'character' here - don't dismiss the gulls, they're doing it for me, anyway.
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I love them - particularly the characters in the middle image.
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I despise doing Gulls, but you've done a wonderful study here, Deborah! Nice poses.
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