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Old Wednesday 12th September 2007, 22:08   #101
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you've got a hell of a lot of good stuff out of sketching these starlings, they're a bird with so much character that i have great trouble sketching them, you've done yourself proud! Now, perhaps once your paints get to you we'll be treated to some starlings??!!
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Great sketches Zac. The one with its beak stuck in the ground is brilliant.
Maybe this could be your first painting.
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Old Thursday 13th September 2007, 19:34   #103
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Hell yes nick. I agree with you , Starlings are a nightmare to sketch convincingly
but Zac you've done a great job there.

going from strength to strength young man

Oh and I'm honoured you've adopted the eye thing. Did'nt even
notice I did that really, although I think its a nod in the
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I agree with the rest Zac, great sketches.
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Hi Zac

Again super work.

Keep on with the field notes, if you get a chance too.
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Old Thursday 13th September 2007, 22:05   #106
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Thanks everyone. I'm going to try and add more character to birds faces, as at the moment, they appear to have a blank expression!

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Old Friday 14th September 2007, 07:56   #107
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Zac, I reckon starlings are great birds to sketch, they always seem so angular to me you can almost draw them with straight lines! Good work and keep 'em coming.

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Old Saturday 15th September 2007, 20:35   #108
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Hi Everyone.
I've just started my first Painting (technically I had some help off my Grandma with the Kingfisher, but mostly me!) I have decided to go for the Black winged Stilt for my first, with the painting inc. Avocet and young.
I am currently not entirely happy, although I am comparing it to people like Nick and Arthur etc so It may be pretty good! I'll post it when finished!
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Old Saturday 15th September 2007, 22:24   #110
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Well Everyone - Here it is...my first completely made up (ofcourse not markings etc!) painting. it's not fantastic, but it's a start!!!

Hope you like!

(please feel comfortable to be critiques!)

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P.S. the actual painting isn't as lavender at it appears, just a strange scan!
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Smashing painting Zac. Love the strong counterchange - light birds against the dark background. Do lots more
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Well Everyone - Here it is...my first completely made up (ofcourse not markings etc!) painting. it's not fantastic, but it's a start!!!

Hope you like!

(please feel comfortable to be critiques!)

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Hi Zac

What you have said about the scan is fine from here. Personally, I cannot see anything wrong with your painting at all.

All in all, your painting is super. I love the tones, and the use of colour that you have used. 100 per cent from me

Carry on doing what you are doing, and show us more here.
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Its a lovely start Zac, we all learn from each picture we do. Looking forward to the next and dont forget the sketching.
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Agree, this is an excellent start, as others have mentioned, the tones are great, the composition is solid. A richly coloured warm scene. Now that you've started your journey of making pictures, the sketching becomes even more important, when you're sketching, try to look for the pictures you want to create, sketch bits of background, the area round the bird, make notes of colour, where the light and wind are coming from and what it's doing to your subjects. There'll be no stopping you! Looking forward to the next one with eager anticipation.
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Old Sunday 16th September 2007, 01:36   #116
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Lovely painting Zac! Colours are fab
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Old Sunday 16th September 2007, 07:50   #117
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This is a great start to your painting career. I love the colours and the birds are very well done. Keep at it and most of all enjoy your painting.
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Old Sunday 16th September 2007, 14:08   #118
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I'm afraid I havn't done justice to such a fantastic bird here. The colours are too bold, so therefore the bird does not look realistic...how can I overcome this?

Here's two photo's , which one is the better one?
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maybe it's my eyes Zac but they both look almost the same?

Anyway, as you know, I'm not personally too hung up on realism (fortunately for my lack of skill!!), and not shy of bold colours, so I actually rather like this painting. I think the colours overall work really well together with those muted greens and greys, the 'orange' is a wonderful and needed splash of colour.

I'm sure some of the experienced artists will give you some advice re: getting it more 'realistic' as this takes a little more skill in mixing paint, lighting effects on colour, tonal contrasts etc etc. and they'd be better placed to advise you.

My vote is leave it as it is - it's only the second one in what I am sure will be a long line of many paintings. Another step on the artistic voyage for you!!
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I finished this one as a Manx Shearwater, but was unhappy so changed it to Sooty.
I tried to create a North Sea esque Storm that appears quite atmospheric. I would like to learn how to paint propely though!

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Hope you like!

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Only just caught up with this one Zac

...and I think it's a great start, it really comes across in your thread that you are enjoying your painting ~ you are eager to learn, humble and not afraid of your work which is to your credit ..this with your obvious talent will serve you well in the future I am sure.

I also love that Sooty, reminds of a dark squawley sea watch off Sheringham a few weeks ago

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Old Sunday 16th September 2007, 21:27   #122
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I personally have never seen Sooty as I live in Lancashire (except one was off Formby Point today...)
I am hopeing to have a Sea Bird Fest this coming weekend as I am staying to the West of Minehead, for a wedding, where I will be saying at a house which overlooks the Sea from a cliff! I hope to seawatch a great deal...can't wait!

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Zac, IMO you paint properly, you put paint on the paper and the viewer finds something to look at, painting is no more complicated than that. But then there is the confliction between painting, and aesthetics, and add to that in our game identifiability. There are so many possible outcomes for the same picture it boggles the mind. I really like your last two pictures, do nothing more to them, overworking ruins pictures, look at them, if you're not entirely happy with them, think why, what could you do differently next time. Also, look at the positive points (there are very many!)

It's good that you see 'problems' with these pictures, never being completely happy and looking to do 'better' pictures will make you a great artist one day if you carry on. (Well, I hope that happens to me one day!) If you've got the drive, and the ability to be frustrated by what you paint, yet still pick up the paintbrushes, you'll be an artist.

If you want a technical suggestion, look at the feather groups of the bird, I think that is what I do when I paint (or I try to do). So, paint the ear coverts in one stroke, the greater coverts in one stroke, draw in the tertials as a group before dividing them up. Once you've got solid feather groups, the detail can come in later.

That's quite a chunk of writing, I've got verbal diarrhoea after speaking French so long, I've got some British birding mates staying and I haven't stopped speaking since, apologies if this post is going on, I'll end here! Cheers.
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Nick offers excellent advice. I like the way you're approaching your subjects - if you can avoid the pitfall of painting detail for detail's sake, then I personally feel you're on the right track. (Detail is, of course important - but not at the expense of structure, form, local colour and tone) -always try to paint the birds 'as you see them'.
Good stuff and, for what it's worth, your paintings are far far better than mine were at a similar age. (Actually, they're a lot better than many of mine are, still!!!)
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Hi Zac,
Take the excellent advice from the experts. All I can say is the shearwater is brilliant. I think you have created a real atmosphere to the painting. I like the robin also. The shadow of the bird and the form of the rock all add to the picture. well done and keep going. The more you paint the better you will get.
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