Certhioidea (1 Viewer)

[Mysticete]

Hey folks,

Would anyone be kind enough to send me the new Certhioidea paper (and the 2023 Cardinal paper would be great as well!)

Stupid University budget cuts making more and more journal not available to me...

 

[andrew147]

Hey folks,

Would anyone be kind enough to send me the new Certhioidea paper (and the 2023 Cardinal paper would be great as well!)

Stupid University budget cuts making more and more journal not available to me...

I can send both if you pm me your email address

 

[Mysticete]

Thanks to Pbjosh I got the wren paper.

Initial thoughts:
More evidence that Salpornithidae should be recognized at the family level, although most don't. Also confirms that keeping Wallcreeper a distinct family is a good call
Strong support to treat the winter wren as nannus, which I also don't think is followed by other checklists?
Sitta and Polioptila could probably be carved up into multiple genera
Polioptilidae should probably have subfamilies, but wrens probably shouldn't? or at least if they do get them, the arrangements will have to be different than the current TiF taxonomy does, with the rock-loving wrens being sister to a South American and a separate North American clade

 

[Jacana]

More evidence that Salpornithidae should be recognized at the family level, although most don't. Also confirms that keeping Wallcreeper a distinct family is a good call

I've had it in the back of my mind for a while that if a paper like this would come out, then there would be a surprise sister relationship between Salpornis and Trichodroma. It would have been a fun relationship, pity it wasn't borne out

 

[Acanthis]

Jim s'il vous plait!
Do you still have my email?

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Jim s'il vous plait!
Do you still have my email?

I don't ne sais plus know. Give me it in mp plz

 

[Acanthis]

It's good to see the position of Nannus as separate from Troglodytes reinforced in this paper.
Very puzzling that this seems to have been ignored for so long

 

[thyoloalethe]

Was Cantorchilus griseus sampled?

 

[gusasp]

Was Cantorchilus griseus sampled?

Yup, firmly part of Cantorchilus.