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Paul Leader
Friday 1st August 2014, 03:28
I am part of a small group currently reviewing the status of Collared Crow in Guangdong Province and am seeking any records (away from Hong Kong) of this species from China and Vietnam within the past ten years.

Please either post any records here or send me a PM.

This appears to be a much rarer species than the current literature states, as such any records are of conservation interest.

Many thanks.

Paul Leader, Hong Kong.

Jon Turner
Friday 1st August 2014, 06:57
Saw one at Mai Po on about 13th February this year.

Paul Leader
Friday 1st August 2014, 07:23
Saw one at Mai Po on about 13th February this year.

Sorry, I should have stated that we after records AWAY from Hong Kong where we have comprehensive data. Thanks though!

Jon Turner
Friday 1st August 2014, 09:24
Sorry Paul, I thought that reading your post until I saw you were in HK! Guangdong province is the one surrounding HK?

rockfowl
Friday 1st August 2014, 11:41
Paul,

Found one at the reservoir Beidiahe, Hebei province on 4th May 2012 (I think it had been seen by Bo Peterson's ringing group based at the same site in late April but had disappeared in between) which remained well into June and I believe was still present in the Autumn. This was a first for me and do not recall any records in the previous thirteen years I have been involved with Spring or Autumn migration in the region.

During this period/year , I remember Terry finding one in Beijing, I am sure he will comment, and perhaps Paul Holt also as I think there was at least one other record from Beijing/Hebei.

McMadd
Saturday 2nd August 2014, 09:36
Hi Paul

I had a few birds at Dongzhai (home of Reeve's Pheasant...or so I'm told :0( in July 2012.

This post has details and picture

http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=2504796&postcount=256

cheers
Mark

Jeff hopkins
Saturday 2nd August 2014, 10:09
I believe I had one on Dec. 3, 2010 while riding a train from Wuhu, Anhui, to Hangzhou. It was perched on the wires along the tracks. I assume this would have been somewhere in Zhejiang Province.

James Eaton
Saturday 2nd August 2014, 22:40
Hi Paul, following records:

Pingwu area, Sichuan: May 2009 (pair), June 2013 (pair) - similar area, along river, typically.

En-route to Foping, Shaanxi: May 2009 & May 2010, nesting pair - nest beside river in town.

Between Wuhan & Dongzhai: Dec 2008, at least 4 birds by highway.

Wuyuan: at least 2 pairs along river: May 2008.

That's it off the top of my head, though sure I'm missing one somewhere (somewhere around Poyang I seem to recall, would need to check my notes when I'm home next month).

Though I haven't personally seen them, I believe John Pilgrim found a very small number in northernmost Vietnam about 5-6 years ago.

James

china guy
Sunday 3rd August 2014, 14:30
The birds in the Pingwu area of Sichuan - seen from the S205 that skirts the Fujiang River - are resident. Last year we saw birds during December, but have regularly seen birds during numerous spring, summer and autumn trips to the area that have been made over the last 6 years .
The birds are mainly seen along the river - but because of various dam projects they seem to be becoming more local.
The best location close to Pingwu to see the birds is at Houju - where garbage is washed into the Fujiang from a smaller stream - 32 22.419'N 104 38.212'E. However at this site the birds are heavily outnumbered by Large-billed Crow
Birds can be seen - in very small numbers - all the way down the 205 in a southerly direction for around 50km until the road leaves the river at 32 4.826'N 104 46.065'E
Another stretch of road where the bird is seen - that joins to the 205 - is along the route to Tangjiahe. Here the road leaves the 205 at 32 20.743'N 104 41.257'E - and we've seen Collared Crows, again in small numbers, all the way to town of Qingxi - 32 27.883'N 104 50.332'E

Away from this area I've once seen the bird just south of Songpan (October 2011) - a single bird with a mixed group of Large-billed and Carrion Crow (feeding at a garbage container)- but have failed in recent attempts to find the species in same area.

Paul Leader
Monday 4th August 2014, 01:36
The birds in the Pingwu area of Sichuan - seen from the S205 that skirts the Fujiang River - are resident. Last year we saw birds during December, but have regularly seen birds during numerous spring, summer and autumn trips to the area that have been made over the last 6 years .
The birds are mainly seen along the river - but because of various dam projects they seem to be becoming more local.
The best location close to Pingwu to see the birds is at Houju - where garbage is washed into the Fujiang from a smaller stream - 32 22.419'N 104 38.212'E. However at this site the birds are heavily outnumbered by Large-billed Crow
Birds can be seen - in very small numbers - all the way down the 205 in a southerly direction for around 50km until the road leaves the river at 32 4.826'N 104 46.065'E
Another stretch of road where the bird is seen - that joins to the 205 - is along the route to Tangjiahe. Here the road leaves the 205 at 32 20.743'N 104 41.257'E - and we've seen Collared Crows, again in small numbers, all the way to town of Qingxi - 32 27.883'N 104 50.332'E

Away from this area I've once seen the bird just south of Songpan (October 2011) - a single bird with a mixed group of Large-billed and Carrion Crow (feeding at a garbage container)- but have failed in recent attempts to find the species in same area.

Very many thanks, a very interesting series of records. Would you be able to attach numbers of birds to these records? This would extremely helpful in that we are attempting to arrive at a broad population estimate.

china guy
Monday 4th August 2014, 14:30
Would you be able to attach numbers of birds to these records?
hi Paul - I'm in Qinghai until end of the month and unable to get to my notes. But, since I most often see the birds in my capacity as guide, numbers of birds are never very high - once we see the bird for the list we stop scanning the river. Most birds are seen in singles or pairs - groups of birds are normally family parties seen during spring/summer - an adult and 2 or 3 young
However during a winter visit to Tangjiahe during Dec 2010 - in the river at Qingxi we had a flock of around 15 birds

For this year, off the top of my head, I can remember that my April trip to Tangjiahe recorded one bird about 10km before the town of Qingxi.
While both May and June June trips recorded both juvenile and and adult birds at the river outlet at Houju.
During May 1 adult and 3 juveniles
During June 2 adults and 4 juveniles

Chlidonias
Friday 8th August 2014, 08:54
I only saw one individual when I was in China, near Pingwu (in October 2013).

DavidJStanton
Tuesday 2nd September 2014, 01:12
Just thought I'd give this post a quick bump in case any other observations have come to mind.

All very useful feedback so far, thanks very much.

thrush
Tuesday 2nd September 2014, 02:14
I saw 1 Collared Crow at Dǒngzhi (董寨) Preserve in S Henan in 2010. The next year, I was in N Hubei Province, where I saw 3. The place in N Hubei province is very close to Dǒngzhi; the Dbi Mtns. (Dbishān [大别山]) separate the two locations. A good place to look for Collared Crow, therefore, may be in and around the Dbi Mtns. Photos from each location attached.

Cypselurus92
Thursday 11th September 2014, 03:54
I've seen them along the banks of the Li River in Guangxi province. They were feeding on flotsam washed up on the shore, and seemed relatively used to human presence.

There are also occasional records from Xiamen island, Fujian province. I've seen occasional photos from the Xiamen forum, but haven't seen one myself there yet.

Terry Townshend
Thursday 11th September 2014, 06:17
Hi Paul,

I am aware of 2 recent COLLARED CROW records in Beijing. One was at Shisanling Reservoir (Ming Tombs) from 27-29 April 2012 (found by Colm Moore) and one (possibly the same?) was at Houbajiazhuang, Miyun Reservoir on 1 May 2012 (Terry Townshend and Paul Holt).

Paul Holt will have more extensive records from Beijing. I will ask him to send you his records as I don't think he visits BirdForum very often.

My understanding and my experience is that this species is a scarce/rare Spring overshoot to the capital.

Terry

mzwebby
Thursday 11th September 2014, 12:58
On August 1, 2014 there were 3 Collared Crows along the Li River in Yangshuo, Guangxi, just south of the West Street area. They were looking for food on a small island in the river and landing on the shallow bank.

jurek
Thursday 11th September 2014, 22:34
In April 2011 at least two on the outskirts of Foping country town, which is apparently regular site for it. In my notes it was also seen at Crested Ibis site near Yangxian town.