Montagu's Harrier 2003 ? (1 Viewer)

barontan2418 · Nov 5, 2003

I was wondering if any of you fellow raptorphiles out there have any information relating to how well (or not) our Montagu's Harriers have done this year. I know that the locations of this magnificent raptor are kept on a need to know basis, and rightly so, but it would be good to hear that they are at least stable. To start the ball rolling, I do know that our east coast community had a reasonably good season with 11 young hatched from 5 nests, a 6th nest failed to produce. Are we having much success elsewhere ?

Mick Baron

Leeds

pauco · Nov 5, 2003

Hi Mick.
the best man to ask about raptors is spar.
put a message on the board for him, and he will get back to you unless he is on line now.
bert.

Andrew Rowlands · Nov 5, 2003

wpercy is your man for the Southern birds, p.m. him.

Andy.

Jasonbirder · Nov 5, 2003

It is my understanding that 2003 has been the most succesful year for some time for Montagu`s Harriers

barontan2418 · Nov 6, 2003

Thanks for reply

bert said:
Hi Mick.
the best man to ask about raptors is spar.
put a message on the board for him, and he will get back to you unless he is on line now.
bert.

Thanks Bert, I've sent wpercy a p.m and will do the same to spar, thanks again for replying.

Take care.

Mick

Gerry Hooper · Nov 6, 2003

Let us all know the results please.:t:

Jasonbirder · Nov 6, 2003

Why the secrecy about their breeding success? No-one is asking for locations which should stay under wraps (though knowledge does seem to get out...) but surely numbers and counties isn`t privilaged information....never understood that!

Andrew Rowlands · Nov 6, 2003

Doesn't look like wpercy has been on for a while. 'His' pair successfully fledged some young, I think 3? This was despite the alleged disturbance by a 'well known birder': charges may be pending.

I resisted the urge to visit the site in August, even though they had already fledged, and I was holidaying in the county for a week.

Andy.

barontan2418 · Nov 7, 2003

Montagu's update

I wish there were no need for secrecy but I think most of us believe there unfortunately is. Anyway the total young fledged so far is 15 from six nests, good news, but I'm sure it could get better. Many thanks for your replies.

Mick Baron

Jasonbirder · Nov 7, 2003

I agree secrecy is important with regards to particular sites sometimes that secrecy extends to numbers/success which i do not understand tho!

I sometimes wonder if an accessible breeding site, wardened & with viewing arangements put in place would discourage people from going off to see the sites they know about from friends and contacts...in the long run reducing disturbance? Any thoughts?

Gerry Hooper · Nov 8, 2003

Fair comment Jason, there was well known televised site a couple of years ago, it was popular and may have reduced disturbance at other sites.

So it's been a reasonably good year for Monty's.
Good stuff, maybe I'll see one next year then!!

wpercy · Nov 8, 2003

Hi Satrow,
It was four Monts,did not know you were down this way!.

Colin · Nov 8, 2003

A friend of mine was driving down a road in central England a couple of months or so ago when he saw a raptor fly across the road in front of him. It was not so close as to cause him to brake but close enough for a postive id - Montagu's Harrier. The bird went and perched in a tree. My friend stopped the car in a safe place off the road and got out his scope. While scoping the bird this four wheeled drive vehicle came up and stopped. It had a well known birding logo on it. The chap gets out and asks what my friend is looking at. When my friend replies "Montagu's Harrier" the chaps reply in a gruff voice was "Who told you about that?". My friend replies that no one had told him anything but the bird had just flown across the road as he was driving by. The attitude alerted my friend who subsequently observed 7 birds, which appeared to be 2 pairs each with a young and a lone adult. If this chap had replied with amazement that my friend was looking at a Monties then my friend would have put it down to a passage bird and that he just got lucky with the fly by.

Osprey · Nov 9, 2003

Jasonbirder said:
Why the secrecy about their breeding success? No-one is asking for locations which should stay under wraps (though knowledge does seem to get out...) but surely numbers and counties isn`t privilaged information....never understood that!

Agreed. To be honest most sites are known to those in the know anyway. :h?:

Breeding success rates do not divulge anything! I crack up when speaking to people I've known for years, who protect Goshawks clam up when I ask "what their breeding success was for the year."

Probably I know more breeding sites than them.

Osprey

Osprey · Nov 9, 2003

satrow said:
Doesn't look like wpercy has been on for a while. 'His' pair successfully fledged some young, I think 3? This was despite the alleged disturbance by a 'well known birder': charges may be pending.

I resisted the urge to visit the site in August, even though they had already fledged, and I was holidaying in the county for a week.

Andy.

Disturbance by a "well known birder" ? What's that mean? If he was just trying to get nearer the nest (which I don't condone) charges cannot be brought IMHO

Osprey

Andrew Rowlands · Nov 9, 2003

Osprey said:
Disturbance by a "well known birder" ? What's that mean? If he was just trying to get nearer the nest (which I don't condone) charges cannot be brought IMHO

Osprey

This has been mentioned previously (and I think, a name given), in another thread. As this matter is, I presume, sub judice, and I cannot recall circumstances (I was not present), it would be deemed hearsay. Again, wpercy may be able to enlighten us as to the events.

As far as I am aware, any disturbance to a breeding bird, without a license, may be classed as an offense.

I will not approach, eg., the environs of a Hobby or Goshawk nest knowingly, without first informing, then accompanying, a licensed person. Even though I was au fait to the Monty's site in wpercys' patch, I would not go near the field without him being present.

I have yet to see a Monty in the UK.

Andy.

Osprey · Nov 9, 2003

satrow said:
This has been mentioned previously (and I think, a name given), in another thread. As this matter is, I presume, sub judice, and I cannot recall circumstances (I was not present), it would be deemed hearsay. Again, wpercy may be able to enlighten us as to the events.

As far as I am aware, any disturbance to a breeding bird, without a license, may be classed as an offense.

I will not approach, eg., the environs of a Hobby or Goshawk nest knowingly, without first informing, then accompanying, a licensed person. Even though I was au fait to the Monty's site in wpercys' patch, I would not go near the field without him being present.

I have yet to see a Monty in the UK.

Andy.

A name given! Not cricket that.

You've missed a word out about an offence being commited "KNOWINGLY"

If that wording wasn't in the act many farmers, builders, local authoraties etc could be prosecuted!

Osprey

Andrew Rowlands · Nov 9, 2003

Sorry Osprey,

He was apparently in the same field (which is completely private), yet 'a small field', whereby observation was no problem from the periphery.

Make of it what you will!

Andy.

Osprey · Nov 9, 2003

satrow said:
Sorry Osprey,

He was apparently in the same field (which is completely private), yet 'a small field', whereby observation was no problem from the periphery.

Make of it what you will!

Andy.

Nothing really: In law a trespass so the only thing that can be done, is ask him to leave by the nearest route to a public footpath or road.

I wouldn't hold your breath about a prosecution, whoever tries to prosecute could well be laughed out of court.

Quite why "A well known birder" would need to get closer I don't know! Photographing maybe. Cannot see that it was to tick it they are easy.

Blimey my spelling in the last post was diabolical, time for bed.

Osprey

Andrew Rowlands · Nov 9, 2003

"Quite why "A well known birder" would need to get closer I don't know! Photographing maybe. Cannot see that it was to tick it they are easy."

He is not known for his photographs!

Disturbance is disturbance. If he doesn't need to get that close then, with his experience (even with only one eye), he leaves himself open to prosecution.

Andy.

Andy.

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