I think ive found it its a relative of the robber called a dance fly (empis opaca ) they feed on flower nectar and have reallly long proboscus so hope it this one thanks for the help Tim cheers Phill
I think im going senile as ive relooked up dance flies and they are predators like robber fiies so sorry for any missinformation,and to be honest i carnt remember where i read they were nectar feeders,so of to the funny farm to get my head checked.
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