draycotebirding
Draycote recorder
Yes you probably did Garry but I think it should be changed to Premiership Lister or Ticker to be more accurate.
Regards
John
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Eyebrowed Thrush in Norolk (1 Viewer)
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Yes you probably did Garry but I think it should be changed to Premiership Lister or Ticker to be more accurate.
Regards
John
birdboybowley
Well-known member.....apparently so ;)
Premiership (if we have to go with inane footballisms) should only apply to top world listers/tickers. Seeing nearly 9000 species takes a damn sight more time, money and energy and 'pushing the boat out' than seeing 500 in UK (which bizarrely includes a foreign country in its total 
) most of which you'll've seen abroad anyways
) most of which you'll've seen abroad anyways
Idle Valley Birder
An Idle Valley Birder
You said you had seen 500 in the UK400 club Gary (how do you do that?)
Yet I see no mention of a 'Fantasy Birding League' in the above list.
Birdspotter
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Aw feck iv'e been relegated:-O
redeyedvideo
It's like water off a duck's back!
So some people into /twitching will feel they need to go and have a look...just in case
The only people it DOES effect financially are the people preferring to go for the bird
which would be a very small minority on the bigger birding picture
Rob Laughton
Bird, bird, bird...
We already have a CO2 tax, it's called Fuel Duty, and if this bunch of plonkers in Westminster get there way, it will be going up again in January, Happy new year motorists!
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SueBryan
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Premiership (if we have to go with inane footballisms) should only apply to top world listers/tickers. Seeing nearly 9000 species takes a damn sight more time, money and energy and 'pushing the boat out' than seeing 500 in UK (which bizarrely includes a foreign country in its total
Agreed!
How about..............
Premiership.........World Listing
Championship WP Listing
League 1 British Listing
League 2 County Listing
Conference Patch Listing
Goodness knows what numbers you would put on though!
Apologies for 'off topic'!
Sue
Garry Bagnell
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High World List - Final, SF, QF, 2R, Group Stage of World Cup.
Low World List - Qualification round
High Western Pal - Champions League
Low Western Pal - Europa League
Garry Bagnell
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If this is adopted I'm in the Qualification round of World Cup and Europa League. But the list that counts, premiership baby!
Nick Robinson
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Farnboro John
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That's "affect" not "effect". Strewth.
Get a copy of Fowler's Modern English Usage instead of following football.
John
League football is at a national, not international, level and the Premiership is best of British...I say let Garry use the term as he sees fit. Anyway hardly matters, 'tis all just a bit of fun!
Don Draper
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Or, maybe, we should acknowledge birders based on their field skills, contribution to scientific learning and conservation efforts, rather than how much time and effort they've wasted burning fossil fuels chasing round the country? Just a thought
Don Draper
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BTW, our hoaxer is back, this time as @tilermarks. Please, let's all just ignore him and hope he goes away...
Ppedro
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The legendary Beesands Rovers ! Used to think of myself as their midfield maestro in the Rivelino mould, thinking back more like an overweight Bambi on ice :-O
Johann Sebastian Bach
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Garry,
Let's face it, you're not really a birder in purist terms. You're a twitcher, with a significant streak of the train spotter in you. I doubt that your self-found list is particularly high and I also doubt that you've made any major contributions to identification papers. (My sincere apologies if I'm wrong.)
If you want to make the link to football, you should acknowledge that your self-appointed ranking is entirely due to your cash investment in twitching. You're a bit like Man City, in that you've bought your status, rather than earned it through careful investment.
Don't misunderstand me - I'm not being critical, since this hobby is interpreted in vastly different ways by us all.
But you do need to be careful about making value judgements which are based purely on how many birds are on your list. Many of those who you've now consigned to lower divisions are likely to be far better than you at, for example, identification of peeps, calls of subspecies of wagtail or conservation of a local patch. Why have you told these people that you're superior?
There was also a hint of criticism in one of your previous posts about those who only "sit behind computers". Please be careful with this, since some of us have little choice.
Anyway, I hope you manage the treble this year.
Peter
Let's face it, you're not really a birder in purist terms. You're a twitcher, with a significant streak of the train spotter in you. I doubt that your self-found list is particularly high and I also doubt that you've made any major contributions to identification papers. (My sincere apologies if I'm wrong.)
If you want to make the link to football, you should acknowledge that your self-appointed ranking is entirely due to your cash investment in twitching. You're a bit like Man City, in that you've bought your status, rather than earned it through careful investment.
Don't misunderstand me - I'm not being critical, since this hobby is interpreted in vastly different ways by us all.
But you do need to be careful about making value judgements which are based purely on how many birds are on your list. Many of those who you've now consigned to lower divisions are likely to be far better than you at, for example, identification of peeps, calls of subspecies of wagtail or conservation of a local patch. Why have you told these people that you're superior?
There was also a hint of criticism in one of your previous posts about those who only "sit behind computers". Please be careful with this, since some of us have little choice.
Anyway, I hope you manage the treble this year.
Peter
wolfbirder
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"Strewth" ??
Ive not heard that word since my teacher used it at school - that was many moons ago. Is Fowlers Modern English up to date?
Garry Bagnell
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I'm not putting anyone down, I think all human beings are equal. I like people that are interesting in Birding regardless on upbringing, colour, wealth etc. Anybody that knows me, can confirm these qualities in me.
I believe using Football leagues to group people on life lists is a bit of fun. Pure and simple, not elitism at all.
Crawley F.C. have now made significant investment and are now playing football in League 2.
Twitchers who make significant investment in their hobby will move up whatever listing mechanism they use.
If Crawley don't loose a football match for the next 2-3 years they go into the Premier League.
If a Twitcher gets the majority of new birds over say a 12 year period, they will have 500 birds and be a Premiership Lister.
I started Nationwide Twitching in '99 (Age 32). I went crazy then because I had just spent 18 years pursuing another hobby with a significant cash investment and I was playing catch up with a hobby that was my first love way back in '77 (Age 10).
I don't think I'm doing anything wrong Peter, I've got a local patch and spend the majority of my spare time birding not twitching. I love birding pure and simple. I'm not rich...I just put £200 a month in a pot for birding activies. Others would spend this on beer/restaurants. £2,400 per annum, should be enough money for local birding and nationwide twitching.
PS: The point about sitting at a computer was risky I know. But the point I was trying to emphasis is that hoaxes will cost me money, not people who stay put.
wolfbirder
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Not sure Premiership is best of British - take the foreigners away and it would be revealed for what it really is. I am not sure equating good birders to premiership is a justified tag, when you think that they have had millions of pounds of tv revenue pumped in. So it would be like saying those with most expensive optics are best.
