MJB
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8th winter? What malar key are you using?! ... ()
You could earn your stripes by picking the right one from the diagram...
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You could earn your stripes by picking the right one from the diagram...
MJB
Johann Sebastian Bach
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You could earn your stripes by picking the right one from the diagram...
MJB
The 8th winter determination comes from a malar sheen chart made by Dulux in their Natural Tints range.
It's a particular shade of iridescent brown, which MJB's diagram indicates to be Eb major.
What an interesting summary of BF this thread is - featuring virtually no factual information about birds; a few rude posts; some uptight feuding spilling over from goodness-knows-what; and utter drivel from people like me.
Don't you just love it?
Peter :t:
Foxy
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Rude and objectionable, and rather ironic coming from someone who hasn't been able to come up with an answer, and nor have the other 'continental' experts (where x is the unknown and spurts is a drip under pressure....)
Many 'island dwellers' have seen lots of shrikes and most other things likely to be seen in the Netherlands and if that is the level of response I fail to see why anyone has bothered to try and help
I think those that tried have given up already and realised that this thread was a wind up. It's the thread that keeps giving
LowellMills
Is this your Sanderling?
Back on topic, why not Penduline Tit?
Mainly wrong habitat, are you familiar with them, I am not really so maybe I am not allowed to post 8-P
chris butterworth
aka The Person Named Above
Peter C.
...just zis guy, you know?
Well, what key would Mahler have used? :h?:
chris butterworth
aka The Person Named Above
The one with the little lamp on. Quite fond of miner keys, that Mahler chappie. :smoke:
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Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
The bird, or the OP? :eek!: 3
Had fun ?
Not a hoax
Red- backed Shrike have no red caps
Juvenile bird is no whitethroat, plenty examples in area to compare with live, available in the surroundings.
Look at the white cheeks ans stripe or streak through eye.
Photograph taken from distance since birds are shy, it is a tiny part of original picture being cropped and blown up
Basically I just don't know, looked all summer and winter 2013 and 2014, especially winter since foliage disappearing and birds losing cover.
Was also a good check outr if the were resident escaped birds or any exotic kind of cross over breed doing well in the wild , found nothing during balmy winter , no died birds feathers ( if possible to identify )whatsoever.
No apologies for the somewhat hotblooded responce after the ( well maybe I expected better) pretty foreseeable and not so expertlike first responses
Why no apologies, not after reading all these wise cracks thanks by the way for me to sift out on normal/ helpfull or scientifically( yes I said it ) interested responsxes
In the mean ytime chew on it , one can never say you did not heard of it
May be next spring since I am convinced that they are migratory.
Greetings
E van Hecke
Not a hoax
Red- backed Shrike have no red caps
Juvenile bird is no whitethroat, plenty examples in area to compare with live, available in the surroundings.
Look at the white cheeks ans stripe or streak through eye.
Photograph taken from distance since birds are shy, it is a tiny part of original picture being cropped and blown up
Basically I just don't know, looked all summer and winter 2013 and 2014, especially winter since foliage disappearing and birds losing cover.
Was also a good check outr if the were resident escaped birds or any exotic kind of cross over breed doing well in the wild , found nothing during balmy winter , no died birds feathers ( if possible to identify )whatsoever.
No apologies for the somewhat hotblooded responce after the ( well maybe I expected better) pretty foreseeable and not so expertlike first responses
Why no apologies, not after reading all these wise cracks thanks by the way for me to sift out on normal/ helpfull or scientifically( yes I said it ) interested responsxes
In the mean ytime chew on it , one can never say you did not heard of it
May be next spring since I am convinced that they are migratory.
Greetings
E van Hecke
birdboybowley
Well-known member.....apparently so ;)
2nd set of photos are Whitethroats, End of. You asked, you've been given the correct ID....if you don't like it, then that's too bad
chris butterworth
aka The Person Named Above
You were the one to bring up Shrikes ( repeatedly ) so :-
Any adult, of the world's brown backed Shrikes, would have a much broader eyestripe, and that would show just behind the eye, the bird in #4 shows, at best, a very thin 'line' that could be / is probably a photographic artifact or shadow. I say adult, as juveniles / 1st winters would show at least some sign of vermiculations. As for the bright rufous crown and pale cheek / supercillium. The photos are not of the best quality, were taken in rather harsh light by the look of them, which would affect the contrast / tones, the probability of artifact can't be dismissed.
Even, bright rufous margins to the contrasting dark centres to the tertials = Common Whitethroat. Tiger, Bull-headed, Burmese, Red-backed, Daurian, Turkestan, Brown, Woodchat and Masked ( all of which I have experience with ) would have narrower, less contrasting margins ( that, probably, wouldn't show on the photos ).
The flanks are obviously extensively rufous matching the shade of the upperparts. Yet again, no breasted wn backed Shrike shows anything like this pattern.
None of the members of Lanius have yellow legs. The bird in #4 has obviously yellow / straw coloured legs, as does Common Whitethroat.
From what is observable in the two photos in #4, and your description of the behaviour of the birds, Common Whitethroat ( a species with which, by the way, we on this ornithological desert of an island are more than familiar with ). I hope this is 'scientific' enough ( even though I am not a "continental" birder - just a world one ).
Any adult, of the world's brown backed Shrikes, would have a much broader eyestripe, and that would show just behind the eye, the bird in #4 shows, at best, a very thin 'line' that could be / is probably a photographic artifact or shadow. I say adult, as juveniles / 1st winters would show at least some sign of vermiculations. As for the bright rufous crown and pale cheek / supercillium. The photos are not of the best quality, were taken in rather harsh light by the look of them, which would affect the contrast / tones, the probability of artifact can't be dismissed.
Even, bright rufous margins to the contrasting dark centres to the tertials = Common Whitethroat. Tiger, Bull-headed, Burmese, Red-backed, Daurian, Turkestan, Brown, Woodchat and Masked ( all of which I have experience with ) would have narrower, less contrasting margins ( that, probably, wouldn't show on the photos ).
The flanks are obviously extensively rufous matching the shade of the upperparts. Yet again, no breasted wn backed Shrike shows anything like this pattern.
None of the members of Lanius have yellow legs. The bird in #4 has obviously yellow / straw coloured legs, as does Common Whitethroat.
From what is observable in the two photos in #4, and your description of the behaviour of the birds, Common Whitethroat ( a species with which, by the way, we on this ornithological desert of an island are more than familiar with ). I hope this is 'scientific' enough ( even though I am not a "continental" birder - just a world one ).
Jane Turner
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Rotherbirder
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Agree; the preening bird in the second set of pics is definitely Common Whitethroat. As for the first set of pics, no one has yet convinced me that the 'object' in question is even alive. Even if it is a bird, from the images provided it is impossible to identify it as far as genus, let alone species!!
Johann Sebastian Bach
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You really are an incredibly arrogant person! Your first tirade of rudeness was aimed at two perfectly reasonable replies to the almost impossible question you posed.
That tirade resulted in universal admonishment. (In plain language, your post was considered rude by some and very rude by others.) I can only assume that your hide is so thick that normal human niceties elude you.
It would please me greatly if your next post showed a modicum of humility and appreciation for those who attempted to provide you with the benefit of their valuable experience.
Peter
Whitethroat
I hear about your arguments for Whitethroat and they seem pretty solid, but I still have doubts nervertheless those cheeks make me wonder, see filtered picture.
But for the sake of argument let's not focus too much on that but on the red capped birds
As a bonus a picture of a strange looking female Whitehroat (?) with a marbled or barred chest.
Too bad the picture is a sideview and not frontal, but the bird was gone within seconds and never seen again, and by the way the picture was shot a few yards from ther bush with the red capped birds.
About Penduline Tits
Penduline Tits are all but shy , they are certainly not that shy that one has to try and try again for 7-8 weeks get one self in a hiding place observartion stake out at dawn every day so one can present a shoddy picture.
If I want to picture/ shoot Penduline Tits I'll just take a walk in any poststamp sized park or the backyard.
Thanks for the thought but no , they are not.
Since one brought it up their behaviour ( red caps) is very social in quite some numbers and therefor beforehand ruling out Shrikes of any kind or species.
The pictures I took of that behaviour are bad and by bad I mean really bad ( basic camera 300 mm lens0e and secretive shy birds do not go well together) anyway I'll try to load them up.
Bramble bush in Resized mode, then crop overviwe, then zooming in crop
( this not sent with cause I reached upload limit, it will be a DIY fotr interestred people then, sorry) in ortiginal status, hit the auto correct buttons and a redcapped ball of clinching birds ( i=ndividuals hard to see will appear
This will be last message for some day's to come, I'll think in weekend try to squeeze the story in a more readable and comprehensive version in a
Word .doc.
Download the pictures and try anything to improve it.
esp. the pictures Left and Right ( with red markes ) of the red capped bird.
Note they are cropped cut outs from originals.
Originals are sized ca. 3- 5 Mb so uploading is difficult.
Regards
Ed van Hecke
I hear about your arguments for Whitethroat and they seem pretty solid, but I still have doubts nervertheless those cheeks make me wonder, see filtered picture.
But for the sake of argument let's not focus too much on that but on the red capped birds
As a bonus a picture of a strange looking female Whitehroat (?) with a marbled or barred chest.
Too bad the picture is a sideview and not frontal, but the bird was gone within seconds and never seen again, and by the way the picture was shot a few yards from ther bush with the red capped birds.
About Penduline Tits
Penduline Tits are all but shy , they are certainly not that shy that one has to try and try again for 7-8 weeks get one self in a hiding place observartion stake out at dawn every day so one can present a shoddy picture.
If I want to picture/ shoot Penduline Tits I'll just take a walk in any poststamp sized park or the backyard.
Thanks for the thought but no , they are not.
Since one brought it up their behaviour ( red caps) is very social in quite some numbers and therefor beforehand ruling out Shrikes of any kind or species.
The pictures I took of that behaviour are bad and by bad I mean really bad ( basic camera 300 mm lens0e and secretive shy birds do not go well together) anyway I'll try to load them up.
Bramble bush in Resized mode, then crop overviwe, then zooming in crop
( this not sent with cause I reached upload limit, it will be a DIY fotr interestred people then, sorry) in ortiginal status, hit the auto correct buttons and a redcapped ball of clinching birds ( i=ndividuals hard to see will appear
This will be last message for some day's to come, I'll think in weekend try to squeeze the story in a more readable and comprehensive version in a
Word .doc.
Download the pictures and try anything to improve it.
esp. the pictures Left and Right ( with red markes ) of the red capped bird.
Note they are cropped cut outs from originals.
Originals are sized ca. 3- 5 Mb so uploading is difficult.
Regards
Ed van Hecke
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