A great philosophical conundrum? 8-P
That sums it up nicely......all I would add is that perhaps you're more likely to string a sighting early on in your birding life and sometimes it may take years to finally say, Yes, it was definitely one or No, I'm not certain. This comes with experience and hopefully maturity ( though there will be exceptions of all ages ).Stinging is convincing yourself that you're sure about something. Making stuff up can be an outright lie that you are sure is a lie
Both constitute stringing. The only way it matters whether you are kidding yourself or a bunch of other people is that in the first instance only you know you have no integrity and in the second, sooner or later everybody does.
Do not try to string that one is better than the other. Both are 100% naff.
John
There are people who are completely oblivious to their lack of ability, or even their own delusions when they claim birds, or try to cover up their ID errors in some manner.
Owen
Farnboro John;3784491 Covering up the cock-up - or trying to - is understandable (and of course covered at some length in BOLBBB) but again the perp needs to understand when the game is up - preferably from a gentle hint but if they persist things are liable to become quite blunt! :t: John[/QUOTE said:This when you roll pout the 'two bird theory'.....
I think that when it comes to actually lying to enhance your list or whatever, that cannot be stringing, it's just lying!
My own view of stringing is that it's done though lack of experience and or ability rather than the will to deceive.
I suspect that the under-reporting of rarities by folks who don't have the confidence to stick their heads above the parapet is a bigger problem than stringing.
This when you roll pout the 'two bird theory'.....
I think that when it comes to actually lying to enhance your list or whatever, that cannot be stringing, it's just lying!
My own view of stringing is that it's done though lack of experience and or ability rather than the will to deceive.
I suspect that the under-reporting of rarities by folks who don't have the confidence to stick their heads above the parapet is a bigger problem than stringing.[/QUOTE
I'd have to disagree with this as stringing - real stringing with someone putting out a duff ID, especially when it can't be checked overnight, and deliberate hoaxes where there was no bird in the first place - have cost me money, annual leave (both finite resources) and goodwill of (usually senior) colleagues over the years. These days those resources have better availability but in the past they have been limiting factors I resented "wasting" in case I needed them later in the year.
Stuff I don't hear about is definitely less of an issue than that.
John
That's why I only go for birds that have actually been photograped (if at all). Of course, it's a lot easier in this day and age....I'd have to disagree with this as stringing - real stringing with someone putting out a duff ID, especially when it can't be checked overnight, and deliberate hoaxes where there was no bird in the first place - have cost me money, annual leave (both finite resources) and goodwill of (usually senior) colleagues over the years. These days those resources have better availability but in the past they have been limiting factors I resented "wasting" in case I needed them later in the year.
Stuff I don't hear about is definitely less of an issue than that.
John
Obviously the time to do that is when you know that the bird has been seen that day and haven’t seen it yourself, but there are no witnesses. Passed on a couple of opportunities to do this with Bedfordshire’s recent first Dick Pipit, twice finding myself the last to leave (and the second time seeing a distant Pipit that looked like it might be a bit large).This when you roll pout the 'two bird theory'.....
I think that when it comes to actually lying to enhance your list or whatever, that cannot be stringing, it's just lying!
Both constitute stringing. The only way it matters whether you are kidding yourself or a bunch of other people is that in the first instance only you know you have no integrity and in the second, sooner or later everybody does.
Do not try to string that one is better than the other. Both are 100% naff.
John
The very definition of stringing (plus countless other examples on this Twitter account):
https://twitter.com/birdsofalvecote/status/1060565197109321730?s=20
Glad I am not part of the hardcore birding scene...Either someone is being accused of stringing or, on the other hand, of suppression if they HAVE seen something of interest but haven't told someone/enough people, etc.
Nobody's getting paid for this stuff! We don't owe each other anything