My continued Quest for the perfect 8x32 (or 8x30) binocular to use as my only bin. (https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=389434)
So, my quest has been fun. My requirements were that the bin ‘not be an alpha’ (Swaro EL, Zeiss FL, Leica Ultravid) or that it can be an entry bin. I am under the 'current thought' that one can get an excellent pair of binoculars w/o spending $2000 or more. While I have had my share of Alpha's and have promoted them, I wanted to concentrate on the sub $1000 US line of binoculars but I did toss in a few odd ones such as the Maven, GPO and the Frontier Hawk Ed X. The rest of my lineup included the Zeiss 8x25 (just because I wanted to try), Zeiss Conquest, Kowa Genesis, Leica Trinovad, Swarovski CL, Meopta Meostar, and the Nikon Monarch HG, Since this is supposed to be my only birding and travel binocular, I wanted to also have a requirement that quality was built into the binocular.
I am not an optic expert so haven’t gotten into any finer details that many of you have the knowledge base to pull from. I listened to advice from many on this forum including Lee, Chuck, Steve, Bob and others, as well as You Tubing it, talking to the companies and reading the basic literature on. The things I concentrated on were: (a) All day birder as well as a traveling bin, (b) Durability, since this is my only bin, (c) size and weight, (d) quality of optics, ( e) FOV, (f) sweet spot, (g), focal wheel smoothness being ‘just right’ , (h) practical use of in a birding situation as opposed to close to infinity, more like 5 meters to 30 meters for focus and quickness going back and forth, (i) close focus and (j) ergonomics and feels good. The following are my findings:
Zeiss 8x25: Wow….what a binocular. Impressive in the box, the box, the case, ergonomics, quality, focus wheel, up close, quickness in birding to focus, durability. Excellent…but as an all-day birder? No I am thinking not. But it would be a great travel birding binocular or biking or backpacking but not as a full day birding bin. But what a binocular!
Zeiss Conquest 8x32:…I really like Zeiss products and the ergonomics of this bin is right there with all others (HT, SF etc). Price wise was fine, and many people are happy with this binocular. Smoothness of wheel might be a bit ‘too lose’ in my thinking as it reminded me of the Victory HT. Focus though is fine from 5-30 meters in everyday birding situations. Great all-day birder. I feel the bin is a bit bulky, or that is my impression. The close focus of 8+ feet is too high. The weight of 24.7 ounces is too much. FOV is 384 feet which is not good and unacceptable in my eyes for my only binocular. Price wise this is a good buy though. Overall a good bin but I feel the Conquest line is getting ‘old’ and needs to be refreshed. Overall optics was comparable but to my eyes, didn’t stand out. Sadly, I ruled out the Conquest.
Kowa Genesis: 8x33… Excellent in quality, durability, optics…. Diopter works well. FOV is 420 so nice wide range. Size and weight are doable at about 5.5 with cups extended and 22+ ounces (a bit high), so size is ok. Ergonomics was ‘okay’ for me, but not standout. The focus wheel is a bit slow but not as bad as the Swarovksi CL and on a par with the Meostar. Close focus at 5 feet which is excellent. With Kowa optics, my eyes see too much ‘yellow’ and for me coloration and lightness is not to my appeal. Optic wise, my eyes looked at a binocular that was the same as the rest of the pack in clarity, sweet spot etc…I felt the Meostar, Conquest, Swaro, were all on a par with the Genesis and didn’t quite see the hype around this bin. The Genesis was also priced at $1000-1100 US so the second highest of those I tried with only the Swarovski costing more. Given some issues, why go ‘that $ high for a pair that has too many ‘if’s for my criteria.
Leica Trinovad 8x32… It is a Leica, right? …. I love their camera’s so I have a soft spot for this binocular. Some of the specs are great such as height, close focus, quality and durability with a Leica are always there. But the FOV in this binocular is only 372 feet or 123 meters. That is unacceptable for my only bin. I was looking for a FOV of over 400. I believe the weight is on the higher side near 23 ounces. This binocular and the Conquest were on ‘a par’ and I felt this was also a binocular in need of an update. I ruled out the Trinovad without giving it much of a thought.
Swarovski CL 8x30B… This was one of those bins that comes to you in a market presentation that pleases the eye. The box, the case, the images, the overall ergonomic feel of this bin is fantastic. I could hold this binocular ‘all day’ …lovely bin. Body armor was fantastic
So given that, why is the close focus around 3 meters? Many times I like to look at insects on the ground, a snake, turtle etc. But 9 meters? Come on Swaro and then you charge me over $1200 US dollars? The overall optics was good but not exceptional in my eyes, and yet selling over $1200, I expected more in optics. FOV is only 384 feet. Which is not good. They did fit nicely to my eyes with that optic-box…The focus wheel turn in practical birding situations was slow. The slowest of all the bins I tried. Depth of Focus was solid although the Meostar beat it in my eyes. There was nothing spectacular about the view, no pop…just a good image though. No distracting yellow color like the Kowa. This binocular is over-priced and while I liked it, for my every-day birding pair, I want a better close focus, more FOV, focus wheel in birding needs to be tighter from 5 meters to 30 meters. Overpriced, tempted…but overpriced & thus ruled out.
Meopta Meostar 8x32… I like this binocular and appear to be under the radar of many in this forum. Size wise this fits…not heavy but not as light as other bins coming in at 21 ounces. The fit is great although not as ‘feel good in my hands’ as the Swaro. The eye-cups need to rest below my eye-brows and I can see would be good for someone wearing glasses. Body armor is nice and durability of this bin is super. Close focus is 5.58 feet so really nice. I find the focus wheel in practical birding to be about average from 5-30 meters. Again doable. Faster than the Swaro but on a par with the Kowa and surely slower than the Nikon HG or Maven or GPO. This pair was in my running throughout the entire quest. The colors had a pea-green feel to it as I looked thru the glass and light transmission was fine. My wife saw POP in the focus. My initial copy had clunkiness in the focus wheel and I had to return it, so you have to find the ‘right copy’ of this to make it work. Currently no clunkiness but not as smooth as other bins. Thas me worried. It has old technology and styling from 2005 dating back to B1 series, but honestly, what glass they have’ works well’ and I find this Meostar compares over, above or at the least, equal to all other bins I tested. And it is a binocular which I can purchase for $800. So a lot cheaper than the Swaro, Kowa and Nikon.
Nikon 8x30 Monarch HG…Spec wise...perfect. FOV is 435 which makes this the highest FOV of all the bins I tried. Height was perfect and weight is only 15.9 ounces so perfect in respect to that. Close focus is 6.6 on paper but in reality I have this actually less than the Meostar so around 5.5 feet. The diopter is ‘locking’ and easy to use. I found this bin to be the sharpest with great contrast and for me, the view has “POP”. The focus wheel is tight and feels like a micro-scope so easy to bird with as well as being very easy to focus, much like the Maven. I liked the feel in my hands and placement of fingers on the focus wheel and bridge, and although slight ‘kidney bean’, it is only slight. Overall quality and durability is apparent. I see some people stated on the forum that this binocular is finicky but I haven’t seen anything like that. Very precise and checks off all of the boxes. Price wise this comes in essentially on the more expensive side at near $950 US but I think you can pick this on sale for 10+% at Sports Optics.
GPO 8x32… This is one of those binocular lines, like the Maven which is just starting to take off and you can purchase in stores. I picked up a demo copy from GPO-USA though. Like the Swarovski, the packing and marketing on this binocular is excellent. The ergonomics and feel of this bin, like the Swarovski and Conquest is beautiful. You can tell Jensen came from Zeiss. In fact the body armor reminds me of the Victory HT. Absolutely beautiful to hold. The price is only $430 and you can get it cheaper if you are going thru a retailer at times. The size is perfect and weight is 17.6 ounces. These fit into my hands, the ergonomics was fantastic. FOV is 410 feet so right where I want it to be. Close focus is 6.6 feet which is fair, and not nearly as bad as the Swaro. The eye-cups were okay, as I can tell they cheapened out here a bit but they fit nicely into my eye-sockets like the Swaro. Quality wise, I can’t say or durability. I do know these are made in china and Mike Jensen states they are then shipped to Germany for quality control and shipped out from there. My demo copy sucked though with a few mm’s of play in the focus wheel so it makes me ‘suspect’ quality given that. Who provides a demo copy that is not quality? Optic wise I feel this is below the Conquest / Meostar, Swaro line… This is above the Terra line, but not up to speed with the $1000 or near bins. This to me would be an excellent 2nd pair of binoculars but not as my main and only pair.
Maven 8x30. Another 8x30 (like the Swaro and Nikon) but this pair has a FOV of 430 feet so way above most of the only bins I tested with the exception of the Nikon, so super here. The size is doable for a travel or every day and in some cases, almost ‘too small’ as my fingers had to squeeze to fit on the half-bridge or tubes. By far this was a surprise to me as I ordered in a demo copy. It was ugly with orange, black, silver and gray colors. Who does that? But close focus is 5.5 feet with only the Kowa beating it. Weight was 16 ounces so on a par with the GPO, Nikon or Swaro. The focus wheel in practical birding was superb and I loved the sharpness and POP to this binocular. I found this binocular to “POP” on an equal basis to the Nikon HG. Surprisingly my wife thought that POP came from the Meostar, so one person’s pop, is obviously not the other person’s pop. But the sweet spot is not as large and in my copy a definite haze was apparent outside of the sweet spot. This was by far the easiest binocular to get into focus, near to far, in-between etc. Color to me was warm and contrast was the highest. The eye-cups are large and they fit my face very well. This appears to be quality (Japan materials and manufactured in San Diego CA, USA) and durability appears to be ‘right up there ‘ with all the big boys. I wasn’t a fan of the lack of armor on the focus wheel. The armor otherwise is okay, and the ergonomic feel is just okay too. But overall, this binocular sells for $525 and is definitely comparable to all of the bins I tried including the high priced Swaro CL, the high price Kowa, and the Meostar, Conquest etc. I find it hard to believe that after all of my tests on all of these name-brands, that the Maven comes out so strong. I would definitely purchase this as a second bin if not my prime binocular.
Frontier Ed X… I wanted to look at this binocular since it did win some awards a few years ago. I have a feeling it is akin to the Opticron Traveler, Kites, etc… I feel it is an excellent product for the cost. The overall feel is great. The CASE is the best I have seen out of all of the binoculars I have tried. I love the case! The focus is really easy to use and perhaps a bit too loose as it makes it hard to fine tune it. The focus from mid to mid-far takes an extra turn, or more so this is a bit like some of the others which in practical birding situation requires that extra motion with a finger to get it in focus. The placement of the harness on the binocular is a bit odd but I got over it birding a few times with it. I feel the $400 line-up as represented by the Frontier is a solid investment. Not too sure on durability as I have purchased in this range before and little things always go wrong, hence the reason I wanted to concentrate on the sub $1000 level.
WHO IS IN THE RUNNING? So far the Meostar has checked off all of the boxes, a bit midway in weight but excellent in durability, quality, Close Focus, Optical quality is on a par with all (all of them are pretty close here) ….the smoothness of the focus wheel might be suspect but it works well and focuses fairly easy. The price is discounted now to $800. The Maven is in the running as only the lack of an armored focus wheel and the haze outside of the sweet spot. But this might be the sharpest of the binoculars other than the Nikon , and the two are on a par for ease of focus. It is also the cheapest.
Some things to consider: The Meopta line is being revamped. This means good prices on the Meostars for a binocular that is under-rated. Since the Meostar is ‘in the running’ but the line-up will improve; do I wait for the new improvements of the B1 Plus (not much change it would appear) or the B2 (when oh when will it appear? 2021 or 2022 for the 8x32 and do I want to wait that long? No….). The Maven is quality…period. Nicely done with that product. The Nikon though best fits what I want out of a binocular. It was the winner, all told and while it is only a 30mm, the FOV is actually larger than the entire group I tested. I am not usually birding at dawn or dusk so light shouldn’t be an issue.
So, my quest has been fun. My requirements were that the bin ‘not be an alpha’ (Swaro EL, Zeiss FL, Leica Ultravid) or that it can be an entry bin. I am under the 'current thought' that one can get an excellent pair of binoculars w/o spending $2000 or more. While I have had my share of Alpha's and have promoted them, I wanted to concentrate on the sub $1000 US line of binoculars but I did toss in a few odd ones such as the Maven, GPO and the Frontier Hawk Ed X. The rest of my lineup included the Zeiss 8x25 (just because I wanted to try), Zeiss Conquest, Kowa Genesis, Leica Trinovad, Swarovski CL, Meopta Meostar, and the Nikon Monarch HG, Since this is supposed to be my only birding and travel binocular, I wanted to also have a requirement that quality was built into the binocular.
I am not an optic expert so haven’t gotten into any finer details that many of you have the knowledge base to pull from. I listened to advice from many on this forum including Lee, Chuck, Steve, Bob and others, as well as You Tubing it, talking to the companies and reading the basic literature on. The things I concentrated on were: (a) All day birder as well as a traveling bin, (b) Durability, since this is my only bin, (c) size and weight, (d) quality of optics, ( e) FOV, (f) sweet spot, (g), focal wheel smoothness being ‘just right’ , (h) practical use of in a birding situation as opposed to close to infinity, more like 5 meters to 30 meters for focus and quickness going back and forth, (i) close focus and (j) ergonomics and feels good. The following are my findings:
Zeiss 8x25: Wow….what a binocular. Impressive in the box, the box, the case, ergonomics, quality, focus wheel, up close, quickness in birding to focus, durability. Excellent…but as an all-day birder? No I am thinking not. But it would be a great travel birding binocular or biking or backpacking but not as a full day birding bin. But what a binocular!
Zeiss Conquest 8x32:…I really like Zeiss products and the ergonomics of this bin is right there with all others (HT, SF etc). Price wise was fine, and many people are happy with this binocular. Smoothness of wheel might be a bit ‘too lose’ in my thinking as it reminded me of the Victory HT. Focus though is fine from 5-30 meters in everyday birding situations. Great all-day birder. I feel the bin is a bit bulky, or that is my impression. The close focus of 8+ feet is too high. The weight of 24.7 ounces is too much. FOV is 384 feet which is not good and unacceptable in my eyes for my only binocular. Price wise this is a good buy though. Overall a good bin but I feel the Conquest line is getting ‘old’ and needs to be refreshed. Overall optics was comparable but to my eyes, didn’t stand out. Sadly, I ruled out the Conquest.
Kowa Genesis: 8x33… Excellent in quality, durability, optics…. Diopter works well. FOV is 420 so nice wide range. Size and weight are doable at about 5.5 with cups extended and 22+ ounces (a bit high), so size is ok. Ergonomics was ‘okay’ for me, but not standout. The focus wheel is a bit slow but not as bad as the Swarovksi CL and on a par with the Meostar. Close focus at 5 feet which is excellent. With Kowa optics, my eyes see too much ‘yellow’ and for me coloration and lightness is not to my appeal. Optic wise, my eyes looked at a binocular that was the same as the rest of the pack in clarity, sweet spot etc…I felt the Meostar, Conquest, Swaro, were all on a par with the Genesis and didn’t quite see the hype around this bin. The Genesis was also priced at $1000-1100 US so the second highest of those I tried with only the Swarovski costing more. Given some issues, why go ‘that $ high for a pair that has too many ‘if’s for my criteria.
Leica Trinovad 8x32… It is a Leica, right? …. I love their camera’s so I have a soft spot for this binocular. Some of the specs are great such as height, close focus, quality and durability with a Leica are always there. But the FOV in this binocular is only 372 feet or 123 meters. That is unacceptable for my only bin. I was looking for a FOV of over 400. I believe the weight is on the higher side near 23 ounces. This binocular and the Conquest were on ‘a par’ and I felt this was also a binocular in need of an update. I ruled out the Trinovad without giving it much of a thought.
Swarovski CL 8x30B… This was one of those bins that comes to you in a market presentation that pleases the eye. The box, the case, the images, the overall ergonomic feel of this bin is fantastic. I could hold this binocular ‘all day’ …lovely bin. Body armor was fantastic
So given that, why is the close focus around 3 meters? Many times I like to look at insects on the ground, a snake, turtle etc. But 9 meters? Come on Swaro and then you charge me over $1200 US dollars? The overall optics was good but not exceptional in my eyes, and yet selling over $1200, I expected more in optics. FOV is only 384 feet. Which is not good. They did fit nicely to my eyes with that optic-box…The focus wheel turn in practical birding situations was slow. The slowest of all the bins I tried. Depth of Focus was solid although the Meostar beat it in my eyes. There was nothing spectacular about the view, no pop…just a good image though. No distracting yellow color like the Kowa. This binocular is over-priced and while I liked it, for my every-day birding pair, I want a better close focus, more FOV, focus wheel in birding needs to be tighter from 5 meters to 30 meters. Overpriced, tempted…but overpriced & thus ruled out.
Meopta Meostar 8x32… I like this binocular and appear to be under the radar of many in this forum. Size wise this fits…not heavy but not as light as other bins coming in at 21 ounces. The fit is great although not as ‘feel good in my hands’ as the Swaro. The eye-cups need to rest below my eye-brows and I can see would be good for someone wearing glasses. Body armor is nice and durability of this bin is super. Close focus is 5.58 feet so really nice. I find the focus wheel in practical birding to be about average from 5-30 meters. Again doable. Faster than the Swaro but on a par with the Kowa and surely slower than the Nikon HG or Maven or GPO. This pair was in my running throughout the entire quest. The colors had a pea-green feel to it as I looked thru the glass and light transmission was fine. My wife saw POP in the focus. My initial copy had clunkiness in the focus wheel and I had to return it, so you have to find the ‘right copy’ of this to make it work. Currently no clunkiness but not as smooth as other bins. Thas me worried. It has old technology and styling from 2005 dating back to B1 series, but honestly, what glass they have’ works well’ and I find this Meostar compares over, above or at the least, equal to all other bins I tested. And it is a binocular which I can purchase for $800. So a lot cheaper than the Swaro, Kowa and Nikon.
Nikon 8x30 Monarch HG…Spec wise...perfect. FOV is 435 which makes this the highest FOV of all the bins I tried. Height was perfect and weight is only 15.9 ounces so perfect in respect to that. Close focus is 6.6 on paper but in reality I have this actually less than the Meostar so around 5.5 feet. The diopter is ‘locking’ and easy to use. I found this bin to be the sharpest with great contrast and for me, the view has “POP”. The focus wheel is tight and feels like a micro-scope so easy to bird with as well as being very easy to focus, much like the Maven. I liked the feel in my hands and placement of fingers on the focus wheel and bridge, and although slight ‘kidney bean’, it is only slight. Overall quality and durability is apparent. I see some people stated on the forum that this binocular is finicky but I haven’t seen anything like that. Very precise and checks off all of the boxes. Price wise this comes in essentially on the more expensive side at near $950 US but I think you can pick this on sale for 10+% at Sports Optics.
GPO 8x32… This is one of those binocular lines, like the Maven which is just starting to take off and you can purchase in stores. I picked up a demo copy from GPO-USA though. Like the Swarovski, the packing and marketing on this binocular is excellent. The ergonomics and feel of this bin, like the Swarovski and Conquest is beautiful. You can tell Jensen came from Zeiss. In fact the body armor reminds me of the Victory HT. Absolutely beautiful to hold. The price is only $430 and you can get it cheaper if you are going thru a retailer at times. The size is perfect and weight is 17.6 ounces. These fit into my hands, the ergonomics was fantastic. FOV is 410 feet so right where I want it to be. Close focus is 6.6 feet which is fair, and not nearly as bad as the Swaro. The eye-cups were okay, as I can tell they cheapened out here a bit but they fit nicely into my eye-sockets like the Swaro. Quality wise, I can’t say or durability. I do know these are made in china and Mike Jensen states they are then shipped to Germany for quality control and shipped out from there. My demo copy sucked though with a few mm’s of play in the focus wheel so it makes me ‘suspect’ quality given that. Who provides a demo copy that is not quality? Optic wise I feel this is below the Conquest / Meostar, Swaro line… This is above the Terra line, but not up to speed with the $1000 or near bins. This to me would be an excellent 2nd pair of binoculars but not as my main and only pair.
Maven 8x30. Another 8x30 (like the Swaro and Nikon) but this pair has a FOV of 430 feet so way above most of the only bins I tested with the exception of the Nikon, so super here. The size is doable for a travel or every day and in some cases, almost ‘too small’ as my fingers had to squeeze to fit on the half-bridge or tubes. By far this was a surprise to me as I ordered in a demo copy. It was ugly with orange, black, silver and gray colors. Who does that? But close focus is 5.5 feet with only the Kowa beating it. Weight was 16 ounces so on a par with the GPO, Nikon or Swaro. The focus wheel in practical birding was superb and I loved the sharpness and POP to this binocular. I found this binocular to “POP” on an equal basis to the Nikon HG. Surprisingly my wife thought that POP came from the Meostar, so one person’s pop, is obviously not the other person’s pop. But the sweet spot is not as large and in my copy a definite haze was apparent outside of the sweet spot. This was by far the easiest binocular to get into focus, near to far, in-between etc. Color to me was warm and contrast was the highest. The eye-cups are large and they fit my face very well. This appears to be quality (Japan materials and manufactured in San Diego CA, USA) and durability appears to be ‘right up there ‘ with all the big boys. I wasn’t a fan of the lack of armor on the focus wheel. The armor otherwise is okay, and the ergonomic feel is just okay too. But overall, this binocular sells for $525 and is definitely comparable to all of the bins I tried including the high priced Swaro CL, the high price Kowa, and the Meostar, Conquest etc. I find it hard to believe that after all of my tests on all of these name-brands, that the Maven comes out so strong. I would definitely purchase this as a second bin if not my prime binocular.
Frontier Ed X… I wanted to look at this binocular since it did win some awards a few years ago. I have a feeling it is akin to the Opticron Traveler, Kites, etc… I feel it is an excellent product for the cost. The overall feel is great. The CASE is the best I have seen out of all of the binoculars I have tried. I love the case! The focus is really easy to use and perhaps a bit too loose as it makes it hard to fine tune it. The focus from mid to mid-far takes an extra turn, or more so this is a bit like some of the others which in practical birding situation requires that extra motion with a finger to get it in focus. The placement of the harness on the binocular is a bit odd but I got over it birding a few times with it. I feel the $400 line-up as represented by the Frontier is a solid investment. Not too sure on durability as I have purchased in this range before and little things always go wrong, hence the reason I wanted to concentrate on the sub $1000 level.
WHO IS IN THE RUNNING? So far the Meostar has checked off all of the boxes, a bit midway in weight but excellent in durability, quality, Close Focus, Optical quality is on a par with all (all of them are pretty close here) ….the smoothness of the focus wheel might be suspect but it works well and focuses fairly easy. The price is discounted now to $800. The Maven is in the running as only the lack of an armored focus wheel and the haze outside of the sweet spot. But this might be the sharpest of the binoculars other than the Nikon , and the two are on a par for ease of focus. It is also the cheapest.
Some things to consider: The Meopta line is being revamped. This means good prices on the Meostars for a binocular that is under-rated. Since the Meostar is ‘in the running’ but the line-up will improve; do I wait for the new improvements of the B1 Plus (not much change it would appear) or the B2 (when oh when will it appear? 2021 or 2022 for the 8x32 and do I want to wait that long? No….). The Maven is quality…period. Nicely done with that product. The Nikon though best fits what I want out of a binocular. It was the winner, all told and while it is only a 30mm, the FOV is actually larger than the entire group I tested. I am not usually birding at dawn or dusk so light shouldn’t be an issue.
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