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Low weight, low price, high performance – choose any two…
I’m looking for my first scope and like everything in life, it seems there are compromises over size/weight, price and performance, i.e. low weight and high performance implies high price etc.
I’m looking for a bit of general advice about where to narrow down a shortlist to look at (through!).
So, here’s what I’d like. I enjoy watching birds at reserves like Titchwell where binoculars are not really enough to see birds on distant banks – hence the need for a scope. As far as I know, I don’t see myself needing the kit to be light enough to be called a true ‘travel scope’ but sometimes it is a bit of a hike to a viewing point or hide and of course, I might like to be able to carry it around if I walk on to other places. I do want to be able to digiscope with it, using my MFT camera.
How much magnification power and what sort of objective lens size do I actually need for this? I suspect a 50mm travel scope won’t really have the power for this kind of environment – or would it? On the other hand, a 80mm or bigger scope could just be a bit too cumbersome to be carting around with a suitable tripod. So, I’m thinking somewhere in the middle, i.e. 60-70mm might be the right place to look. If I could pair something like this with a reasonably light tripod, hopefully that will give a good viewing experience and yet it will be easier to carry around and hence get used more.
So far, I have only looked through a few scopes and they were all full sized – 80/88mm. The biggest difference I saw between a £650, £1000 and £2300 scope of broadly similar dimensions was the ease of getting a clear picture in the most expensive one (i.e. a Kowa 883). I could have settled for the actual clarity of any the images (all were ED glass or better) but I struggled to get my eye to settle on the zoomed in image on the two less expensive scopes and wouldn’t consider buying either of them – but this was at the 60-75x end of things, whereas the Kowa was much clearer zoomed in. I’m not talking about distortion or aberration but actually getting a nice bright, clear picture without dark rings, crescents or simply a weeny little image. And when a friendly birder who let me look through his large Swarovski (didn’t notice the model but I think it may have been the largest ATX), I found this was also easy to see through – and it was near dusk. I was wondering if this was function of ‘exit pupil’ but then the two cheaper scopes were similar objective size and eyepiece, at least in terms of ‘numbers’, so I’m assuming it isn’t that but perhaps the outright quality of Kowa and Swarovski’s glass and design.
Anyway, that aside, am I likely to find something in the 60-70mm sort of size that is going to give me the kind of viewing comfort and ease I’m looking for? Also, how much magnification do I actually need for the sort of setting I described, perhaps looking at 100m away or so? After all, a large proportion of the birders I saw seemed to be using a Swarovski scope and without looking too closely, I reckon at least some of them were 65mm versions.
So, in summary: is the right, mid-sized scope likely to offer the sort of ease of viewing I’m after or do I need to just accept I’ll only be happy with a full-size scope? Secondly, how much magnification do I actually need? Many smaller or medium options top out at say 40 or 45x rather than 50 or 60? Is that a red herring if birders are actually only using, say 30x anyway? - in which case, a top quality 'travel scope' could be an option.
At this stage, I’m just trying to narrow down my search a bit. I’m not in a great position to actually go and look at a load of scopes in any dealer at the moment – I realise that would give me some answers very quickly. I appreciate the advantages of looking out for a second hand quality scope rather than a new one but this of course depends on actually finding a suitable example available to buy.
Thanks, in advance – I have found the forum really useful; I’ve read a lot of reviews and discussions of various brands and models but need to narrow things down a bit for my own preferred purposes and hope some of you may be able to help me with this.
PS (thanks Pyrtle) - Budget - well, as much as it takes to be good enough. I had hoped to come in not much more than £1-1.2k but could see that I might need to pay double that much, having seen how good the Kowa 883 was.
I’m looking for my first scope and like everything in life, it seems there are compromises over size/weight, price and performance, i.e. low weight and high performance implies high price etc.
I’m looking for a bit of general advice about where to narrow down a shortlist to look at (through!).
So, here’s what I’d like. I enjoy watching birds at reserves like Titchwell where binoculars are not really enough to see birds on distant banks – hence the need for a scope. As far as I know, I don’t see myself needing the kit to be light enough to be called a true ‘travel scope’ but sometimes it is a bit of a hike to a viewing point or hide and of course, I might like to be able to carry it around if I walk on to other places. I do want to be able to digiscope with it, using my MFT camera.
How much magnification power and what sort of objective lens size do I actually need for this? I suspect a 50mm travel scope won’t really have the power for this kind of environment – or would it? On the other hand, a 80mm or bigger scope could just be a bit too cumbersome to be carting around with a suitable tripod. So, I’m thinking somewhere in the middle, i.e. 60-70mm might be the right place to look. If I could pair something like this with a reasonably light tripod, hopefully that will give a good viewing experience and yet it will be easier to carry around and hence get used more.
So far, I have only looked through a few scopes and they were all full sized – 80/88mm. The biggest difference I saw between a £650, £1000 and £2300 scope of broadly similar dimensions was the ease of getting a clear picture in the most expensive one (i.e. a Kowa 883). I could have settled for the actual clarity of any the images (all were ED glass or better) but I struggled to get my eye to settle on the zoomed in image on the two less expensive scopes and wouldn’t consider buying either of them – but this was at the 60-75x end of things, whereas the Kowa was much clearer zoomed in. I’m not talking about distortion or aberration but actually getting a nice bright, clear picture without dark rings, crescents or simply a weeny little image. And when a friendly birder who let me look through his large Swarovski (didn’t notice the model but I think it may have been the largest ATX), I found this was also easy to see through – and it was near dusk. I was wondering if this was function of ‘exit pupil’ but then the two cheaper scopes were similar objective size and eyepiece, at least in terms of ‘numbers’, so I’m assuming it isn’t that but perhaps the outright quality of Kowa and Swarovski’s glass and design.
Anyway, that aside, am I likely to find something in the 60-70mm sort of size that is going to give me the kind of viewing comfort and ease I’m looking for? Also, how much magnification do I actually need for the sort of setting I described, perhaps looking at 100m away or so? After all, a large proportion of the birders I saw seemed to be using a Swarovski scope and without looking too closely, I reckon at least some of them were 65mm versions.
So, in summary: is the right, mid-sized scope likely to offer the sort of ease of viewing I’m after or do I need to just accept I’ll only be happy with a full-size scope? Secondly, how much magnification do I actually need? Many smaller or medium options top out at say 40 or 45x rather than 50 or 60? Is that a red herring if birders are actually only using, say 30x anyway? - in which case, a top quality 'travel scope' could be an option.
At this stage, I’m just trying to narrow down my search a bit. I’m not in a great position to actually go and look at a load of scopes in any dealer at the moment – I realise that would give me some answers very quickly. I appreciate the advantages of looking out for a second hand quality scope rather than a new one but this of course depends on actually finding a suitable example available to buy.
Thanks, in advance – I have found the forum really useful; I’ve read a lot of reviews and discussions of various brands and models but need to narrow things down a bit for my own preferred purposes and hope some of you may be able to help me with this.
PS (thanks Pyrtle) - Budget - well, as much as it takes to be good enough. I had hoped to come in not much more than £1-1.2k but could see that I might need to pay double that much, having seen how good the Kowa 883 was.
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