Alexander Stöhr
Well-known member
Hello Redmist,
thank you for the new photos. I hope, you find the bird again and take more shots of this interesting birds.
This is not a definite answer, but one to alert others to have a look at this interesting bird.
The new pictures show a darker brown back with an obvious olive tinge, much better for Rock Pipit.
I have seen a few similar Rock Pipits (presumable Scandinavian birds) myself and pictures in/from the baltic region and there where a few where I thought: "if I see this bird in SW-Germany I would give them a quick jizz-identification as a Water Pipit, and miss a rarity."
I am still undecided:
I dont have enough experience for this bird: Therefore, I cant write: "the colour of the back (if the second set of pictures show the real colours, I wrote my caveats about the colours in the first picture in post nr.14) are out of variation for a Water Pipit."
And equally, I cant write, that such clear, clean, white belly and undertail-coverts are out of variation for Rock Pipit.
I still see sharp, narrow streaks to the flanks and not enough streaks to (especially rear) flanks and belly for a Rock Pipit, but is this out of variation? I cant answer that, see above.
Conclusion? While the new pictures changed me from the "Water Pipit to the Rock Pipit camp", I think this one is for the real experts. If they jump in, this will sure be one of those educational threads, I (and surely many others) will benefit from.
Look here: https://www.birdforum.net/threads/pipit-water-or-rock-lagoon-of-santo-andré-portugal.372406/#post-3811554 for a Water Pipit imo and intesting pictures of Scandinavian Rock Pipits from member Laruslister.
And thank you again, Dantheman for the interesting link!
thank you for the new photos. I hope, you find the bird again and take more shots of this interesting birds.
This is not a definite answer, but one to alert others to have a look at this interesting bird.
The new pictures show a darker brown back with an obvious olive tinge, much better for Rock Pipit.
I have seen a few similar Rock Pipits (presumable Scandinavian birds) myself and pictures in/from the baltic region and there where a few where I thought: "if I see this bird in SW-Germany I would give them a quick jizz-identification as a Water Pipit, and miss a rarity."
I am still undecided:
I dont have enough experience for this bird: Therefore, I cant write: "the colour of the back (if the second set of pictures show the real colours, I wrote my caveats about the colours in the first picture in post nr.14) are out of variation for a Water Pipit."
And equally, I cant write, that such clear, clean, white belly and undertail-coverts are out of variation for Rock Pipit.
I still see sharp, narrow streaks to the flanks and not enough streaks to (especially rear) flanks and belly for a Rock Pipit, but is this out of variation? I cant answer that, see above.
Conclusion? While the new pictures changed me from the "Water Pipit to the Rock Pipit camp", I think this one is for the real experts. If they jump in, this will sure be one of those educational threads, I (and surely many others) will benefit from.
Look here: https://www.birdforum.net/threads/pipit-water-or-rock-lagoon-of-santo-andré-portugal.372406/#post-3811554 for a Water Pipit imo and intesting pictures of Scandinavian Rock Pipits from member Laruslister.
And thank you again, Dantheman for the interesting link!