Goshawk? Madrid (1 Viewer)

[testoduro]

Is this a goshawk?
Thanks in advance!

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

No, its a Sparrowhawk. Please nore red barring to breast (the right colour) and barred secondaries and adjacent coverts). Compact build is also better for a Sparrowhawk, but difficult to judge in a single picture.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Also has a full crop from feeding.

 

[testoduro]

Thank you, Alexander and Andy! A sparrowhawk, then. I noticed those features you pointed out, but I also saw a rounded tail and a relatively long neck, and unlike sparrowhawks, goshawks abound in the forested park the picture was taken in. All these things misguided me.

A question: Can goshawks and sparrowhawks coexist in the same territory in a park? Wouldn't the larger goshawk exclude the sparrowhawk?

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Hello,
just found this one: https://www.researchgate.net/public...rowhawk_and_common_buzzard_rivals_or_partners

 

[Deb Burhinus]

Hello,
just found this one: https://www.researchgate.net/public...rowhawk_and_common_buzzard_rivals_or_partners

Which I posted on this thread some time ago

Is this a Goshawk?

Hello. New member old question I'm sure.....

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A park (if it is a municipal urban park in the City) is an unlikely habitat/territory for Goshawk so probably irrelevant here.

 

[Sangahyando]

A park (if it is a municipal urban park in the City) is an unlikely habitat/territory for Goshawk so probably irrelevant here.

Depends on the region. There are some cities here in continental Europe (at least in Germany) with breeding Goshawks in one or two of their larger parks. While Sparrowhawk is obviously by far the most common urban raptor, IMO you can't exclude Goshawk on location alone, especially in Madrid.

 

[testoduro]

Depends on the region. There are some cities here in continental Europe (at least in Germany) with breeding Goshawks in one or two of their larger parks. While Sparrowhawk is obviously by far the most common urban raptor, IMO you can't exclude Goshawk on location alone, especially in Madrid.

With its 17 sq Kms, Casa de Campo park in Madrid city, where the photo was taken, is a very large wooded area. At least 2-3 pairs of goshawks regularly nest there, quite oblivious to the daily, let alone at weekends, hustle and bustle of thousands of visitors. They find their secluded spaces for their nesting.

 

[Andy Adcock]

With its 17 sq Kms, Casa de Campo park in Madrid city, where the photo was taken, is a very large wooded area. At least 2-3 pairs of goshawks regularly nest there, quite oblivious to the daily, let alone at weekends, hustle and bustle of thousands of visitors. They find their secluded spaces for their nesting.

I had a pair in a small park in Mocow (Sheremetyeva) and I found a new, fledged bird, sat at head height in a bush, calling loudly to parents who remained in the tree top. It did eventually fly up to join them.