edwincjones
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Just because the WX is probably the best binocular made!
I would agree with Dennis on this, but they are not very practical for everyday use.
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Just because the WX is probably the best binocular made!
Gweller, there are many members who give the impression that they are more concerned about whether one binocular has 0.01% more CA or edge of field sharpness or astigmatism or......etc., than another model rather than watching the behaviour of animals and birds, so if this were true of Denco he would not be alone. However we know that Denco often uses his binos for heroic surveys of goats in the mountains so I am not convinced that your conclusion is accurate. And anyway, members are of course allowed to enjoy their optics any way they wish.I think this pretty much sums up your opinions on binoculars - nothing to do with using them in the field to observe nature etc. The only thing that interests you is the technical quality of the instrument. Bit like guys who spend 100k on a hifi, but don't do it to listen to the music, more just to enjoy the purity of the sound that comes out the speakers!
LeeGweller, there are many members who give the impression that they are more concerned about whether one binocular has 0.01% more CA or edge of field sharpness or astigmatism or......etc., than another model rather than watching the behaviour of animals and birds, so if this were true of Denco he would not be alone. However we know that Denco often uses his binos for heroic surveys of goats in the mountains ) ) so I am not convinced that your conclusion is accurate. And anyway, members are of course allowed to enjoy their optics any way they wish.
Lee
Canip,Good point.
And yes, I have roughly three dozen 8x32s and know the format well. For me, the heavier ones are generally easier to hold steady - as Richard states, mass is an important factor - but it’s not that simple, other factors such as size / diameter (your point), shape and ergonomics in general play an important role. The simple straight tubes of the SF 8x32 combined with its light weight are not an ideal configuration for me personally, but I know many see this differently.
With the SFL, beside the mass / shake theme, the very short build could be a concern with regard to increased CA - pure speculation on my part, of course, but based on experience with other short binos - so I look forward to learning how Zeiss have dealt with it.
At any rate, it‘s great there is a new bino from Zeiss coming - been a bit boring since the NL came out … ;-)
Hello Paul,Canip,
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I don’t have any 10x32’s either, hmmm.
Paul
Hi Paul... don't let "popularity contests" sway you. (The 'popular choice' among options is not infrequently a somewhat less-than-desirable position to take). Be your own guide to the universe! (I have a hunch that you already are.)Canip,
And here I thought my 30 binoculars was a little out there, at least thats what I’ve been told by the haters 😏.
Now I don’t feel guilty at all, I’m vindicated. I will use this post and your website for ammunition when ever someone asks me, why am I buying another pair of binoculars (I do have a lot of real ammunition though).
Its a new day and now I’m up for a pair of SFL’s , I think I’ll have the 10x40. I did have an eye to ad a Nikon 10x42SE to my tiny incy-wincy collection as well. Besides marriage isn’t quite what it’s made out to be.
I don’t have any 10x32’s either, hmmm.
Paul
The NL 10x32 was one of the best 10x binoculars I have had, but I decided I like 8x better. I can't criticize it in any way. It even handled glare quite well.Hi Paul... don't let "popularity contests" sway you. (The 'popular choice' among options is not infrequently a somewhat less-than-desirable position to take). Be your own guide to the universe! (I have a hunch that you already are.)
I'd say, given your comparatively, uh hmmm, "well-rounded" collection, you might enjoy beefing up a bit on the 10x32s!
I have two 10x32 bins: Ultravid HD+ 10x32 and Victory SF 10x32 and I greatly enjoy both options. No quibbles from me with either of them! They serve me well on a daily basis.
I also have the 8x32 versions of each and, of course, they're superb bins, as well. I use them all, gleefully. We're blessed with many great choices.
I think that the 10x32 format, given a high-quality pedigree, is just a wonderful choice to have among one's looking glass options!
As for the new SFL... you're probably going to have both 8x40 and 10x40 anyway, ultimately! Cheers! And... enjoy the views, my friend.
I spent a good bit of time owning the NL 10x32. I spent over a week carefully comparing them to the UVHD+ and SF competitors.The NL 10x32 was one of the best 10x binoculars I have had, but I decided I like 8x better. I can't criticize it in any way. It even handled glare quite well.
I agree. Those three 10x32's are all excellent. It all depends on the ergonomics, which one you prefer. You can't go wrong with any of them.I spent a good bit of time owning the NL 10x32. I spent over a week carefully comparing them to the UVHD+ and SF competitors.
My conclusion was that while I loved the optics with the NL, I much preferred the haptics, fuller-barrel shape, armor stiction given by Zeiss and Leica. The Leica and Zeiss felt much more stable in my hands! And the optics were all so close to each other, that the haptics made all the difference to me.
So, I sent the NL back. Yes, they were quite nice, they've got some excellent optics, but not significantly better than UVHD+ and SF. Thus, the haptics, owing to the pinched-waist shape and the comparatively slippery armor, were my only complaints about the NL.
I think you're right, I think this applies to a lot of things, hi-fi, binocs, cycles, cameras and lenses.I think this pretty much sums up your opinions on binoculars - nothing to do with using them in the field to observe nature etc. The only thing that interests you is the technical quality of the instrument. Bit like guys who spend 100k on a hifi, but don't do it to listen to the music, more just to enjoy the purity of the sound that comes out the speakers!
I question if the new SFL 8x40 will be worth the $1K difference in price over the Zeiss Conquest HD 8x32 if you mainly use your binoculars in the daytime. The two big advantages of the SFL will be easier eye placement and better low light performance. You will have to decide if they are worth the difference in price to you for these two advantages.
I used to be a photographer and because of that I am pretty resilient to high price tags when it comes to optics. For me binoculars are not that expensive unless you get into the premium spotting scopes. Having said that I don't use binoculars in my profession so the cost will be harder to justify.I think you're right, I think this applies to a lot of things, hi-fi, binocs, cycles, cameras and lenses.
My friend has the absolute top Nikon camera gear, D5, 12k lens etc, and I'm sure it's just the fascination with the shot 'quality' as opposed to the actual photo that is the main attraction.
Same with optics, lets face it, any 1k plus bino is gonna perform well, even £500 ones, but we all dissect the view, criticise it, look for faults, whatever.
I own 2 pairs, one very small for paddleboarding etc, one 10x42 for general.
Both are so good that I would just annoy myself spending more money looking for something better, which would then have different faults, but still not be perfect.
Imagine spending £5500 on a WX and then finding something to criticise, size, weight, whatever.😯
I love my bins, and just use them without trying to find issue, and infact I was very happy with my Conquests, and stupidly went on the upgrade path....
Just because...... mad really
If Conquest HD is the best binocular an individual owns, they're not missing out on a thing. They're simply great binoculars and priced sensibly around $1000.I think you're right, I think this applies to a lot of things, hi-fi, binocs, cycles, cameras and lenses.
My friend has the absolute top Nikon camera gear, D5, 12k lens etc, and I'm sure it's just the fascination with the shot 'quality' as opposed to the actual photo that is the main attraction.
Same with optics, lets face it, any 1k plus bino is gonna perform well, even £500 ones, but we all dissect the view, criticise it, look for faults, whatever.
I own 2 pairs, one very small for paddleboarding etc, one 10x42 for general.
Both are so good that I would just annoy myself spending more money looking for something better, which would then have different faults, but still not be perfect.
Imagine spending £5500 on a WX and then finding something to criticise, size, weight, whatever.😯
I love my bins, and just use them without trying to find issue, and infact I was very happy with my Conquests, and stupidly went on the upgrade path....
Just because...... mad really
Some find that pursuit of high-quality annoying, others find it intriguing, enjoyable and exciting throughout the process. I love trying to and finding the imperfections in the best of the best and revel in the amazing optical quality that is being made today. The images in the highest quality optics are just breathtaking.I think you're right, I think this applies to a lot of things, hi-fi, binocs, cycles, cameras and lenses.
My friend has the absolute top Nikon camera gear, D5, 12k lens etc, and I'm sure it's just the fascination with the shot 'quality' as opposed to the actual photo that is the main attraction.
Same with optics, lets face it, any 1k plus bino is gonna perform well, even £500 ones, but we all dissect the view, criticise it, look for faults, whatever.
I own 2 pairs, one very small for paddleboarding etc, one 10x42 for general.
Both are so good that I would just annoy myself spending more money looking for something better, which would then have different faults, but still not be perfect.
Imagine spending £5500 on a WX and then finding something to criticise, size, weight, whatever.😯
I love my bins, and just use them without trying to find issue, and infact I was very happy with my Conquests, and stupidly went on the upgrade path....
Just because...... mad really
I'm guilty of all the aboveSome find that pursuit of high-quality annoying, others find it intriguing, enjoyable and exciting throughout the process. I love trying to and finding the imperfections in the best of the best and revel in the amazing optical quality that is being made today. The images in the highest quality optics are just breathtaking.
With all the dozens of binoculars that I’ve tried and many I still own, the magic really starts (for me) when we get over the hi level mid-grade ($500-$1000) binos. That’s where the sparkle, sharpness, object detail just jumps out at you. And not putting aside the mechanical smoothness and build quality of that level. These are the tools I just never want to put down.
Happy Easter.
RG,I'm guilty of all the above
I've done it with cameras, lenses, binos, cycles, paddle boards, paddles, watches...
But as I get older, it matters less, and I'm getting much pleasure just enjoying what I have.
My watches got replaced with a Seiko, and a JDM Gshock... love em both, but wouldn't dreamt of that a decade ago.
Might have kept the paddle board at top tier though... sorry😅😅😉