I respect his experience but that is not the point. The condensation could be because the eye cups of the NL fit tighter in his eye sockets than other users because of the shape of his eye sockets. If he is not getting much light entering around the edges it could be the cause. it depends on what click stop you use the eye cups also. The closer the more condensation.Owamboland has stated he has 40 years experience with binoculars, I think we should respect his and his wife`s experience.
I have my NL set on the 5th click stop and it is perfect with no blackouts, no fogging, very little glare and a huge FOV. I recently tried an EL 8.5x42 and it was like looking down a tunnel in comparison to the NL. There is just NO comparison between a 400 foot FOV and a 477 foot FOV. It is like the difference between night and day! I would never, never, ever go back to the EL. I have been spoiled!i find that I have to hold the eye cups firmly around my eye socket to avoid the peripheral reflections and this could certainly promote trapping of humid air especially in an already humid climate. Eye placement with the NL is finicky. I cannot ease off on the eye sockets as someone suggested. This leads to a very bothersome peripheral glare toward the bottom. Everyone has stated that the glare is at the bottom, and this is probably a result of design. no doubt the optical engineers know this and accepted the compromise. No fogging for me though. But I live in dry California.
Two big improvements versus the EL - FOV and ergonomics. One step back - less forgiveness with eye placement. this is probably the compromise that needs to be made for such an expansive FOV. The view is so good that I would accept slightly less FOV for more forgiveness in eye placement. Now that I know where to place the binos I get a perfect view each time. After experiencing such an amazing apparent FOV, it’s hard to go back to older design binos that offer 20 to 30 percent reduced diameter without noticing the tunnel vision. Same for the Zeiss SF 8x32.
Now I appreciate even more the amazing forgiveness and ease of eye placement on the EL SV. Not enough to give up this NL Pure.
There are some very interesting thoughts and suggestions being shared, not sure if I will get my drill out just yet though, and I would need to commit to another NL to try it out. An interesting thought though for the future, if anyone has reason to try it out please do share if it makes a difference. I am thinking that a different eye placement technique is required for the NL (maybe more different from my normal in my case), but I did try a range of combinations at the time (although now beginning to doubt myself!) I think my decision to not stick with the NL was that for that money there were trade offs in my case and I was unwilling for too much compromise at that price bracket. I agree that once that FOV is seen its very difficult to rest easy with anything less in a 10x at least.
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No binocular is perfect for everybody no matter how much you pay for it. You have to accept some compromises even on the NL or any other alpha.
I've had exactly the same problem with a pair of NL 8x42, the left lens misting after seconds use, clearly dissipating when removed from the eye. Purchased in October 2020, they were returned via the dealer to Swarovski in December, collected from the dealer on Saturday 1st May and used this morning: not cold, acclimatised. As with other users I've tried every combination of relief and accept that it is user. That said I have never had this issue with my other Zeiss or Swarovski bins. They are, when clear, a stunning piece of kit. I post this should others think they're going bonkers: I've thought so until reading this post.I took delivery of a pair of NL pure 10x42 last weekend. I am thrilled with them in every way bar one concern.
I have noticed that they are particularly prone to condensation forming on the eyepieces. This is external and starts forming after about 45 seconds of continuous viewing. I can see it disappearing as soon as I take the bins from my eyes and it goes after about 10 seconds. The left eye piece seems more prone than the right, it happens every time when viewing from inside my house and looking outside. It happens only sometimes outside, but more regularly when its cooler. My wife tried the bins inside and it happened to her also.
I can't remember this happening at all with the pair of 8.5 x 42 SV's I had for the past 6 years and it does not happen with an old pair of Zeiss I have. I tried every eye relief adjustment on the NL's and it makes little difference. The bins are stable at room temperature when I use them inside. I have also even checked the removable eyepieces with a spare set of SV and there seems to be little difference in size/shape or eye relief. The SV eyepieces don't fit the NL so I can't test in situ.
Swarovski say that as it's not internal then the bins are not at fault.
I was wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience or if there are any solutions I am missing. It seems very odd given I have not noticed before with other bins. I am loathed to keep the bins if this is a feature that I would have to live with. Any ideas welcome. Many thanks
Are you saying the problem still exists and only to the left side? What happened after you returned them, were they exchanged?I've had exactly the same problem with a pair of NL 8x42, the left lens misting after seconds use, clearly dissipating when removed from the eye. Purchased in October 2020, they were returned via the dealer to Swarovski in December, collected from the dealer on Saturday 1st May and used this morning: not cold, acclimatised. As with other users I've tried every combination of relief and accept that it is user. That said I have never had this issue with my other Zeiss or Swarovski bins. They are, when clear, a stunning piece of kit. I post this should others think they're going bonkers: I've thought so until reading this post.
The problem persists, I'll liaise with dealer, who has been helpful thus far. From all on here it would appear to be a change of design that affects some (personal physiology) but not most. Stick with what you know, until they change the design. The circle turns.Are you saying the problem still exists and only to the left side? What happened after you returned them, were they exchanged?
What a shame.