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birdboybowley
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Why wouldn't you? They're wild birds
Andy Adcock
Worst person on Birdforum
I was always told that you had to be there at the moment of release to count them on your Brit list?
I know that long time, number one, World lister, John Hornbuckle, now sadly deceased, often carried mist nets on his travels.
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Mike Crawley
Emeritus President at Burnage Rugby Club
I don't know if it's a rule, and if it is who is monitoring that rule but I was told by my mentor when I first started birding that you couldn't tick the bird in the net or in the ringer's hand.
The caveat being - it's your list - you count what you want to count.
The caveat being - it's your list - you count what you want to count.
birdboybowley
Well-known member.....apparently so ;)
Exactly.....such a bizarre way to look at it
YuShan
Well-known member
I wouldn't count any trapped animals. That includes birds in mist-nets.
I also think that making that socially (ethically) acceptable would lead to very undesirable behaviour. Just imagine birders setting up mist-nets or other trapping devies to capture rare birds just to tick them off on their life-list!
I also think that making that socially (ethically) acceptable would lead to very undesirable behaviour. Just imagine birders setting up mist-nets or other trapping devies to capture rare birds just to tick them off on their life-list!
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Steve Lister
Senior Birder, ex County Recorder, Garden Moths.
The only written guidance I can recollect ever seeing about this was I think in the ABA advice to members who submit lists to them. And I think it was something along the lines of the bird is countable once it has started behaving naturally after release.
I don't think it is right to tick a bird while it is actually in captivity. Otherwise zoos would be a lot more popular.
Steve
I don't think it is right to tick a bird while it is actually in captivity. Otherwise zoos would be a lot more popular.
Steve
SlowLowFlyingTurkey
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I wouldn't count it while in the net or the captor's hand, but the moment it is released I would count it as a free-flying bird again. In other words, I would have to be there to witness the release.
On a similar note, I would have no problem counting a wild bird that had become temporarily trapped, for example flown through a window and having difficulty escaping the building, as long as the bird genuinely entered the building of it's own free will and there was no deliberate attempt to lure it in. So far I haven't yet had to tick anything under these circumstances though.
On a similar note, I would have no problem counting a wild bird that had become temporarily trapped, for example flown through a window and having difficulty escaping the building, as long as the bird genuinely entered the building of it's own free will and there was no deliberate attempt to lure it in. So far I haven't yet had to tick anything under these circumstances though.
Is there any difference between birds in the hand or just released and strand line corpses, shot birds or road casualties. In fact, take it to the next level and we can all visit the local museum and tick off 'collected' specimens from earlier centuries. I personally believe you have to be pretty desperate to 'tick' anything before, after or subsequent to ringing.
Farnboro John
Well-known member
I personally believe there are far too many people trying to make the difficult business of twitching more difficult at the moment. Despite being generally pro-European I don't care how long other countries make people wait before a mist-netted bird becomes tickable again.
SOP in Britain is that a trapped bird is tickable on release. Anyone who doesn't want to tick such birds doesn't have to, but stop trying to back-seat drive others' lists: and for that matter stop trying to take one more bit of joy out of what is, after all, a hobby, you miserable lot. Shame on all of you: why can't you say something decent - and righteous - and above all, positive, for once?
John
SOP in Britain is that a trapped bird is tickable on release. Anyone who doesn't want to tick such birds doesn't have to, but stop trying to back-seat drive others' lists: and for that matter stop trying to take one more bit of joy out of what is, after all, a hobby, you miserable lot. Shame on all of you: why can't you say something decent - and righteous - and above all, positive, for once?
John
Andy Adcock
Worst person on Birdforum
As I said.
Larry Sweetland
Formerly 'Larry Wheatland'
Well put John
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
Now there's an idea . . . 8-P
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birdboybowley
Well-known member.....apparently so ;)
What a weird tangent that is.....
SlowLowFlyingTurkey
Well-known member
Well there's one very important difference that is so obvious I don't even need to spell it out.
Mike Crawley
Emeritus President at Burnage Rugby Club
So a Yellow-billed Cuckoo is ringed (banded) in the nest.
Flies to the UK
You won't tick it ?
Sangahyando
Well-known member
How do you know a bird you see has never been handled before? Rings aren't always visible on a bird in the field, and any bird might have been picked up by a human at some point, for instance if it was saved from a sticky situation, maybe even treated in a rehabilitation facility.
Might as well not tick any bird if that's your position.
FWIW, my life list looks the same with or without birds seen during or after ringing.
