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Surreybirder Tuesday 12th May 2020 18:30

two for ID, please
 
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Any clues on these two? photographed today in our garden.

Surreybirder Wednesday 13th May 2020 17:53

The best I can come up with are a) a soldier-fly such as Norellisoma spinimanum and b) a beetle such as Carabus nemoralis.
Does that ring bells with anyone?

RafaelMatias Wednesday 13th May 2020 18:25

No ideas for the fly atm, but the beetle is not a Carabid (Carabidae have 5 segmented tarsi, this one has apparently 4); I'd be more inclined to look in the Chrysomelidae.

Ficedula Wednesday 13th May 2020 18:52

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Originally Posted by Surreybirder (Post 3999852)
The best I can come up with are a) a soldier-fly such as Norellisoma spinimanum and b) a beetle such as Carabus nemoralis.
Does that ring bells with anyone?

The fly is a Sciomyzidae - Tetanocera (incidently Norellisoma spinimanum is a dung fly not a soldier fly).

the beetle is indeed Chrysomelidae - close to Donacia but not that genus.

Surreybirder Wednesday 13th May 2020 19:36

Thanks very much for your help!
Ken

Ficedula Thursday 14th May 2020 08:35

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Originally Posted by Ficedula (Post 3999908)
the beetle is indeed Chrysomelidae - close to Donacia but not that genus.

probably Plateumaris sericea

Surreybirder Thursday 14th May 2020 12:40

Thanks Ficedula, that's not in my insect books but from internet photos it looks a good match.


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