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LabradorDuck Thursday 17th September 2015 11:22

Greater Sage-grouse
 
September 30th is the deadline for the US Fish and Wildlife Service to decide whether the Greater Sage-grouse requires protection under the Endangered Species Act. Various powerful interests are strongly opposed to such protection. Congress has been throwing a fit, with so many anti-grouse provisions put forward that it is hard to keep track of them all. I *think* USFWS is currently not allowed (due to an amendment to a budget bill or something) to actually spend funds to establish protections for the grouse, but they still plan to announce whether they are needed.

Here's a nice summary of the current situation:

http://www.audubon.org/news/as-sage-...lds-its-breath

I think at this point a listing is unlikely. They recently decided that a small isolated population of the species didn't need federal protection because a local voluntary effort is expected to eventually benefit the birds. This was highly publicized as a "win" for conservation, even though it's almost literally a case of counting chickens before they hatch.

Over the last few months the feds have been heavily promoting a similar voluntary program (the Sage Grouse Initiative) that has begun operating throughout the Sage-grouse's range. Given the political climate, the risk that protecting the grouse could further fuel the backlash against the Endangered Species Act itself, and the fact that their decision to protect the rarer Lesser Prairie-chicken was recently thrown out by a judge, I suspect that USFWS will decide that the Greater Sage-grouse does not need protection.

I wonder how long it will be before the population declines enough to allow another lawsuit to get the species listed?

locustella Saturday 26th September 2015 13:53

Few more links:

http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/reuters/...24/story01.htm
Idaho Sues US government, but over restrictions, not to increase protection ...

Locals are always egoistical and shortsighted, against nature protection. They would destroy entire Earth and kill us all this way, if they could get one cinquefoil for that. This is why nature protection should belong to very few branches controlled by governments and supranational institutions, not private people. Like army for example.

http://www.defendersblog.org/2015/09...ly-wrap-up-12/
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blog_dow/~3/v2Vcl6yHzmI/
(both from Defenders of Wildlife)

Mysticete Wednesday 30th September 2015 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by locustella (Post 3286626)
Few more links:

http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/reuters/...24/story01.htm
Idaho Sues US government, but over restrictions, not to increase protection ...

Locals are always egoistical and shortsighted, against nature protection. They would destroy entire Earth and kill us all this way, if they could get one cinquefoil for that. This is why nature protection should belong to very few branches controlled by governments and supranational institutions, not private people. Like army for example.

http://www.defendersblog.org/2015/09...ly-wrap-up-12/
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blog_dow/~3/v2Vcl6yHzmI/
(both from Defenders of Wildlife)

That assumes that the elements of the federal government and military are somehow more rational and idealistic than those individuals operating at the local level. Which does not at all seem how the world works.

locustella Wednesday 30th September 2015 17:52

If you see such two levels:

state authorities
|
local authorities

not following local authorities or rather normal people is totalitarian system really.


But we can look at this situation this way - split into 3 levels:

state authorities
|
local authorities
|
animals and plants not having right to express their opinion
(and their human defenders, or rather defenders of life environment of H. sapiens, very frequently from distant locations)

In this case local authorities are for plants and animals are like the worst totalitarian system. And sometimes more distant state authorities can be a little better, if they don't have to follow local authorities too much. This is how it works.

I got such idea right now.

And normal people living far away from given place are more disinterested than local normal people.

locustella Sunday 4th October 2015 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by LabradorDuck (Post 3282459)
September 30th is the deadline for the US Fish and Wildlife Service to decide whether the Greater Sage-grouse requires protection under the Endangered Species Act.

And what is the decision ?


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