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Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Tuesday 20th March 2018, 18:04
Replies: 52
Views: 5,682
Posted By Kirk Roth
On the Ammodrammus proposal, it says the...

On the Ammodrammus proposal, it says the following regarding bairdii and henslowii:

"Due to the uncertainty in the relationships of A. bairdii and A. henslowii in relation to these three genera,...
Forum: Bird Name Etymology Wednesday 21st February 2018, 14:24
Replies: 26
Views: 1,324
Posted By Kirk Roth
From the IOC Website...

From the IOC Website (http://www.worldbirdnames.org/english-names/spelling-rules/compound-names/):


Compound single words are used...
"IF the second word is a kind of bird (e.g., Nighthawk,...
Forum: Bird Name Etymology Thursday 15th February 2018, 13:53
Replies: 26
Views: 1,324
Posted By Kirk Roth
I think you've hit on it - at least in our...

I think you've hit on it - at least in our current era. The prevalent use of hyphens in the non-ornithological world seems to be the representation of a vocal effect on paper, and that is affected...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Friday 9th February 2018, 14:15
Replies: 202
Views: 50,434
Posted By Kirk Roth
Indeed you are correct - and I am no better at...

Indeed you are correct - and I am no better at Physics terms than I was in high school.

Regardless, its nice to think that the IOC regards and reacts to comments on the forum - albeit usually in...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Thursday 8th February 2018, 19:33
Replies: 202
Views: 50,434
Posted By Kirk Roth
While I can't prove it in this or any other case,...

While I can't prove it in this or any other case, there does seem to be a degree of Heisenburg's concept of observer effect at play whenever commenting on this forum in regard to the big lists!
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Wednesday 7th February 2018, 13:30
Replies: 202
Views: 50,434
Posted By Kirk Roth
I didn't understand his comment. Is "Sicalis...

I didn't understand his comment. Is "Sicalis cinereiventris" an actual bird or was this a mistake?
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Wednesday 7th February 2018, 13:26
Replies: 202
Views: 50,434
Posted By Kirk Roth
The IOC proposed lump/split page has it...

The IOC proposed lump/split page has it categorized as "deleted." The only commentary/explanation is simply "No!" (the exclamation mark is theirs)

About 1/3 down the...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Friday 5th January 2018, 16:23
Replies: 52
Views: 5,682
Posted By Kirk Roth
Well, it is a Eurasian and African species, and...

Well, it is a Eurasian and African species, and I'd guess its native range in Asia exceeds that in Europe in a square km sense.

That said, "Rock Dove" does have a good degree of historical propriety...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Friday 5th January 2018, 16:08
Replies: 144
Views: 27,395
Posted By Kirk Roth
Very good point, Morgan. I agree with the last...

Very good point, Morgan.

I agree with the last statement too, as in that's how they should operate. But as far as reality, I find it difficult to believe that both committees independently...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Wednesday 3rd January 2018, 13:31
Replies: 144
Views: 27,395
Posted By Kirk Roth
The Fox Sparrow and Yellow-rumped Warbler (and N....

The Fox Sparrow and Yellow-rumped Warbler (and N. Pygmy Owl and Mallard) splits were made before IOC put forth its announcement that it would attempt to unify its world bird list (in its bid to be...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Friday 15th September 2017, 13:10
Replies: 51
Views: 5,954
Posted By Kirk Roth
When I was doing research on Cerulean Warblers,...

When I was doing research on Cerulean Warblers, one oddity was that on several occasions we would get responses to playback from Louisiana Waterthrushes, which by all accounts are very different both...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Tuesday 12th September 2017, 18:16
Replies: 50
Views: 21,866
Posted By Kirk Roth
Anecdotally, I've noticed several godwits, both...

Anecdotally, I've noticed several godwits, both Hudsonian and Marbled, with broken or nonfunctional legs time and again over the years. Its been curious to me why I've seen so much leg injury in...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Wednesday 19th July 2017, 12:39
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
And also more sampling from the New World among...

And also more sampling from the New World among the Red Crossbills - nearly nothing from the east (Newfoundland would be of interest), Alaska, or Mexico, and more New World samples overall would help...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Monday 17th July 2017, 17:47
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
The short answer is "no." See Figure 1 in the...

The short answer is "no."

See Figure 1 in the crossbill proposal: http://checklist.aou.org/assets/proposals/PDF/2017-A.pdf for a good illustration. If the Mexican Crossbill ever gets split, there...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Sunday 9th July 2017, 14:42
Replies: 21
Views: 3,545
Posted By Kirk Roth
Well put, Jim, except at some point we at Bird...

Well put, Jim, except at some point we at Bird Forum are going to have to learn to stop taking the bait on this tired but admittedly amusing argument. :eat:

I feel like there isn't a real need to...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Thursday 6th July 2017, 14:54
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
You are certainly right that this was confusing -...

You are certainly right that this was confusing - not only in terms of the proposal and voting layout... but also the result, especially in light of comments on other proposals!
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Monday 3rd July 2017, 12:48
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
I believe the toucanet change did not pass - 4...

I believe the toucanet change did not pass - 4 yes votes, 5 no and 1 abstention.
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Monday 3rd July 2017, 12:43
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
It "almost" makes more sense when you notice that...

It "almost" makes more sense when you notice that the comments betray that at least two of the Committee members have an interpretation of the Biological Species Concept that is a bit extreme. Some...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Monday 3rd July 2017, 11:55
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
It should also be stated however that among the...

It should also be stated however that among the comments, many were sparse and some were curious, if not confusing. I found it disturbing that one of the committee wrote that there was a "lack of...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Thursday 6th April 2017, 13:12
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
Certainly both Alexander Wilson and myself have...

Certainly both Alexander Wilson and myself have been wrong about several things, but when Wilson was writing his vol 3 of American Ornithology in 1811, he referred to the "Pine-creeping Warbler...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Tuesday 4th April 2017, 15:10
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
And now the Redpoll and Crossbill are up, among...

And now the Redpoll and Crossbill are up, among others (Northern Shrike, Grayson's Thrush). I guess I'm just impatient!
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Monday 3rd April 2017, 12:37
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
Its odd that some of the more notable actions are...

Its odd that some of the more notable actions are not included: the creeper split, the crossbill split, the redpoll lump...

If memory serves me correctly, all they did with this update was add the...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Thursday 30th March 2017, 13:43
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
There is no perfect name for the americana...

There is no perfect name for the americana daughter.

- Northern - except for familiaris*
- Brown - also less ideal in a global context, (or any other - some are practically grayish)
- Nearctic -...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Wednesday 29th March 2017, 17:13
Replies: 213
Views: 44,683
Posted By Kirk Roth
"Nearctic (or Northern? or Brown?) Treecreeper"...

"Nearctic (or Northern? or Brown?) Treecreeper" would also have the benefit of separating the bird from North America's other creeper, the Black and White...
Forum: Bird Taxonomy and Nomenclature Thursday 9th March 2017, 14:01
Replies: 9
Views: 1,728
Posted By Kirk Roth
I agree that MCSC seems to be nearly a subset of...

I agree that MCSC seems to be nearly a subset of BSC in term of its theoretical layout, as does the author - "The central idea of the biological species concept—that species represent discrete gene...
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