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  1. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Surprised on the hesitation over European Herring Gull. My understanding is reliably identified birds were fairly regular (once every winter, at least a few years ago) in St. John's Newfoundland. But I guess "reliably identified" is relative when it comes to Larus gulls.
  2. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Nope...wasn't implying that, just simply stating that my desires to split Herring Gull are not simply so I can get a few more ticks on my lifelist.
  3. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    I don't think there is much rhyme nor reason to when they would publish...seems like whenever they get a batch of accepted additions they do a update. I suppose the benefit of being online means you are now bound by a written timeline (See SACC for a good example of a checklist committee that...
  4. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Why would they? The actual ebird update won't be published for a couple of months. The clements list update isn't published yet or implemented yet...the link going around was the working draft of the changes, and not official.
  5. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Ebird/Cornell is doing a 4-way split of Herring Gull. AOS didn't pass this split. Ergo, once the update for ebird is published come October, one of two things happen: Either ABA adds the Herring Gull splits as countable ticks (So American Herring, Vega, and European Herring) OR They don't, which...
  6. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    AOS has not signed on technically with the WGAC goal. They will continue to evaluate taxonomy independently of that group and thus there will continue to be differences.
  7. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    The article doesn't make a single mention of Herring Gull. Given that the AOS supplement came out this week, and the article was probably written months ago, why would it?
  8. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    I agree that more personalization would be nice, especially since it should be easier with the different categories. It feels like it wouldn't take a lot of work to create some sort of toggle that allowed you to exclude introduced species, or exclude provisionals, in your personal totals. I'm...
  9. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Unfortunately many birders also use it for listing purposes, which can interfere with nonbiased data collection as far as things like introduced species are concerned. The main reason why there is a provisional list is to encourage data collection on species not considered established but which...
  10. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    I received the summer edition of North American birds today in the mail, which has a history of the ABA checklist with an emphasis on some recent changes in policies, specifically the provisional species list. There isn't much new really that wasn't in the ABA checklist update from this month...
  11. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    I left a remark on the ABA Birds and Birding facebook group
  12. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Also I assumed this was the case because they seem to be making a more concerted move towards ensuring that the ABA list matches ebird. I didn't really expect much different, just sad they didn't do a more thorough job.
  13. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    I was going to contact them about the Silver Pheasant and Great Tit, but ABA has shrunk there social media presence and I am just not sure who I should contact about this
  14. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    as came up earlier in the thread, Black-throated Magpie-Jay is not listed under provisional due to ebird not considering it so
  15. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    So it looks likes like the ABA checklist has been updated, with the provisional birds added to the end of the checklist: https://www.aba.org/pdfviewer/aba-checklist-v-8-15/?auto_viewer=true#page=&zoom=page-fit&pagemode=none Of note, the provisional list is broken in a A and B list. A are...
  16. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Kind of feels like at this point we need some new terminology, since provisional might refer to a bird whose identity itself is a matter of debate, such as has been an issue a few times with some raptors from Alaska, but it could also be applied to cases where the identity is 100% certain, but...
  17. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Tune in I guess to the future NAB article that is going over this. All we can do is speculate until that comes out.
  18. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Yeah...I am assuming Cattle Tyrant will make it to the normal list though Actually, this will be an interesting wrinkle for big year folks. Usually you can't finalize your list completely on January 1st, as any first ABA records might still be in committee and the birds not formally accepted...
  19. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Hasn't happened yet as far as I know. Of course some of our coastal states are large. It would be quite a feat for a ship-assisted bird which landed in Corpus Christie to make it to the nearest inland state!
  20. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    Northern Red Bishop has never been on the ABA checklist, but has been illustrated in field guides for at least several decades, so I assume that is the source of the mix-up. Talking to some birders in California, populations of these species are very unstable, and prone to random crashes and...
  21. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    To be fair, a lot of there listing authority was already handed over to AOS, since ABA doesn't separately evaluate taxonomy, just introduced populations and additions to the checklist from new vagrants.
  22. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    I think a major source of confusion is that "provisional" is being used for two really different things. Sometimes provisional just means "There is a local breeding population of this non-native species, but it has yet to be established or considered established by local checklist committees. In...
  23. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    You know, in hindsight I just realized why there is a change in the provisional species. It's the same reason we have Western Cattle Egret and Siberian Sand-Plover: alignment with ebird, which of course allows provisionals to count for life lists.
  24. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    That seems reasonable to me. The population of Black-throated Magpie-jays is persistent there but still tiny. I would be surprised if the total population was much higher than 20 birds, and they certainly are not expanding there range significantly
  25. Mysticete

    2024 ABA Checklist update

    By my reckoning, my own list would go up by about 7 species (just in time to cancel out that likely Redpoll lump!)
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