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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    If it is anything like Colorado they are paid state employees. Personal opinions typically do not matter when you work for a governmental agency. Employees are mandated to carry out the provisions of any bill whether they like it or not. This would also apply at a federal level (although I...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I do want to make clear that I am NOT defending or aligning myself with the Utah bill. In all of my comments on this forum about this bill, I am representing what the sponsor of the bill personally told me today without interpreting his remarks beyond what was actually said. What I do think is...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    As noted previously, he did not have time for an in depth conversation but I specifically asked him if financial impacts were a consideration in this bill & he said “absolutely not.”
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I think we just disagree on what is political. We do not disagree on the underlying moral issues about which I have made my position very clear. In the U.S. all of these morality based decisions are turned political simply by our raging culture wars sad as that may be. There is no way the AOS...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    If you read the bill the part about eponymous names is a tack on to a huge wide ranging bill of wildlife issues. Doubtful to me that much time or money was spent on this small issue.
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I totally agree. I see a lot of issues with it as written. I have asked for more time to speak to him or one of his staff. I read the resolution before calling him but he did not have the time to discuss it more fully. I think the more important issue is that it was even written. And will be...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    And the AOS decision was not politically motivated?
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I really think you are making judgements here without knowing the facts and thinking behind this particular decision simply because Utah is a red state. The rep I talked to knows a LOT about nomenclature and taxonomy. He is a scientist.
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Bio of the rep that wrote the resolution: Snider was raised in Liberty, Utah. He earned a Bachelor of Science degree in conservation and restoration ecology, law, and constitutional studies from Utah State University and a Master of Science in environmental science and policy from Johns Hopkins...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    In speaking to him about the issue, racism did not come up. I specifically asked him about his motivation and the explanation he gave me was very science oriented. And, I don’t think talking about the fact that this is occurring is aligning with anyone. I think this is the political pushback...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    The bill could use some modification. I just talked to the Utah rep who sponsored it. He is coordinating with other western states. He emphasized to me that this was not about politics but about stability in English names & was science oriented.
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I think you may be underestimating the power of state legislatures… The bill specifically states they are going to work with other states & national organizations. This is a very interesting development.
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I would be interested to hear more about what you are thinking when you say “multiple efforts from multiple angles should be pursued.” I am not at all against coordinating more efforts, but ideas are welcome & appreciated.
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Excellent idea & I will do that today. Thanks.
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Thanks. You are of course, correct in your explanation above. Statements from eBird and the ABA have both said they will follow the AOS. How that will be implemented (in terms of multiple names being offered or not) no one knows at this point. The petition was aimed at the AOS because they...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    The ABA and eBird have already stated that they will follow whatever the AOS does (which they have done for years). Those two organizations are not in charge of scientific or English names. The AOS holds the responsibility for bird names within their geographic area, but that certainly does not...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Thank-you. I feel like I have run a marathon! :)
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    You can also see the press release on the website by clicking the press release checkbox.
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Here is the long link for the press release: Stability for English Bird Names Asks the American Ornithological Society to Reverse the Decision to Change Bird Names And you can view the PDF packet by going to birdnamesforstability.org and click on "comments" and the link to the PDF is the first...
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    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    This morning, I submitted the petition to the AOS with 5,788 signatures. There was also a press release today. You can view the petition packet (minus the signature list for privacy) here: AOS Petition Packet
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    Poll - Do you agree or disagree with the AOS's recent decision to abandon the use of eponymous bird names?

    Here is an excellent perspective about this issue: Nature/Opinion: American Ornithological Society set to rename honorific birds
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    Poll - Do you agree or disagree with the AOS's recent decision to abandon the use of eponymous bird names?

    Go directly to this link & then scroll down to the sign up link: James Van Remsen Monday 19 February 7pm GMT
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    Poll - Do you agree or disagree with the AOS's recent decision to abandon the use of eponymous bird names?

    I think this is his website stuff. Go to this link directly: James Van Remsen Monday 19 February 7pm GMT
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    Poll - Do you agree or disagree with the AOS's recent decision to abandon the use of eponymous bird names?

    It is definitely free. You register on his website first (free) and then click the sign up button for this webinar. Register for this event & then your “purchase” will go into his “shopping cart” & you check out from there. After checkout you will get an email with all of the zoom meeting info...
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    Poll - Do you agree or disagree with the AOS's recent decision to abandon the use of eponymous bird names?

    The Urban Birder with James Van Remsen Monday 19 February 7pm Sign up at the link above. Topic: The discussion against the eponymous name changes for North America’s birds I know this is short notice, but please try and tune in to listen to "The Urban Birder" interview James Van Remsen - this...
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