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    New Zeiss binos 8x40 SFL and 10x40 SFL

    Thanks so much for the great info! I agree this may turn out to be a brilliant move by Zeiss, the way the Conquest HD absolutely flipped the $1K "mid priced" market on its head. With Swaro discontinuing the SLC, there's a distinct price gap between the $1K sub-alphas and the now-well-over-$2500...
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    New Retrovid 7x35

    The best 8x32 is definitely a 7x35. Unfortunately when I got to try the Retro recently it confirmed my worry that the eyecups would be a dealbreaker. I’m one who actually prefers chunkier small binos, so the slim profile isn’t an ergonomic plus for me either. If Leica would just make a slimmed...
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    Have 8x32, 7x42. Worth having 10x(42 or 32)?

    The veiled assertion that Birdforum binos subforum is the only place promoting the benefits of lower magnification is false. Not only do I see plenty of 8x binoculars around birders' necks, but the idea of 8x42 (or 8x32) as the best all-around birding format is fairly general "common wisdom"...
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    Have 8x32, 7x42. Worth having 10x(42 or 32)?

    While a 10x will provide more resolution on a test bench, in a practical real world sense you’re not going to get much ID benefit from 10x instead of 8x to justify the weight. Not when handholding while hiking. And the 10x42 UVHD is even slightly heavier than than the 7x42. It certainly won’t...
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    New Zeiss binos 8x40 SFL and 10x40 SFL

    Same here — plus the micro 8x30 class tends (due to the slimmer barrels) to have small eyecups with insufficient extension for the eye relief, making eye position more fiddly IMO. The 100-150g weight savings are nice when carrying around the neck but the inferior (for me) ergonomics do not...
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    New Zeiss binos 8x40 SFL and 10x40 SFL

    Here’s a side by side of the 32mm EDG compared to the 7x42 Ultravid — the 42mm UV is very compact, the same size as large 32mm and only a bit longer than the chunky mid-sized like Conquest HD.
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    New Zeiss binos 8x40 SFL and 10x40 SFL

    These comparisons are awesome and serve to illustrate the point that these SFL are just slightly longer than bulky 8x32 (eg Conquest/Trinovid HD) and basically the same size as the long “premium” 8x32 (Swaro SV, Zeiss SF, Nikon EDG). It makes a really intriguing alternative with the larger...
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    New Zeiss binos 8x40 SFL and 10x40 SFL

    I love grip discussions! I’ve learned so much from others posting their methods here and it’s important IMO for everyone to experiment and not just grab it and shove it up to your eye like you’re trying to see if there’s a bug in your beer bottle. The “thumbs up” grip was a revelation for me...
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    New Zeiss binos 8x40 SFL and 10x40 SFL

    This offering is very appealing, although IMO at full list price is skirting a little close to the $2k mark for my tastes. But on sale for 20% off or used for 30% off…. I’d be verrrry tempted to ditch 8x32 completely and have this be my premium light weight option (when I don’t feel like...
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    The new ZEISS SFL Binoculars. Maximum Image Quality. Minimum Weight.

    This is a really cool new binocular. It’s about time someone tried to come out with a light weight premium optic without shrinking the exit pupil. I had the MHG for a while, and it’s very nice, but I didn’t love it for a variety of reasons. And the build quality, while adequate, is nowhere...
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    Comparative review - Swarovski CL B 8x30 vs Kowa Genesis 8x33 vs NL Pure 10x42

    I agree with you about the Genesis having the more "peaceful and relaxing" view, and that it has better contrast/snap due to the almost total lack of CA. But there's something impressive about how the Swaro CL is basically perfectly corrected (other than CA) almost to the edge. When you...
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    Bins for a child.

    Also consider the Pentax Papilio 6.5x21. Very small and light with very good optics, superb close focus for studying bugs and whatnot, and the lower magnification will help the little one hold it steady.
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    Comparative review - Swarovski CL B 8x30 vs Kowa Genesis 8x33 vs NL Pure 10x42

    You should rate them exactly for what they are — my opinions. Just as they were for the OP to whom you were so condescendingly dismissive.
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    Did changing to a lighter 32mm over 42mm bino really make that much difference?

    ….. that said, this reoccurring dilemma highlights once again why 7x35 is really the optimal format for an all-around daily use binocular. Nearly all the size/weight advantages of a 32mm with the 5mm exit pupil of an 8x42. And the only penalty is a teeny decrease in magnification (which happens...
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    Did changing to a lighter 32mm over 42mm bino really make that much difference?

    IMO it’s a mistake to focus on optical quality differences, which are minor (all things being equal, which the above post isn’t). In normal use (ie typical daylight situations) with modern premium 8x32s there’s no meaningful difference in handheld optical quality (ie handheld means you’re not...
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    Comparative review - Swarovski CL B 8x30 vs Kowa Genesis 8x33 vs NL Pure 10x42

    I’ll pop in to say I’m in complete agreement with the OP about the un-usability of the 8x30 CL without glasses. I’ve never had such a contrast between a binocular having obviously wonderful optics with extremely forgiving eye positioning yet simultaneously being incredibly fiddly and...
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    The easy DIY eyecup mod for the Meostar 32mm you’ve been waiting for!

    So like many, I love the optics of the 8x32 Meostar, and I love the ergonomics too EXCEPT for those blasted teeny weeny eyecups. I also happen to love Leica Ultravid eyecups, and as I posted last year in this thread I discovered the rubber part of the UV eyecup is not adhered on, but rather...
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    Since we are talking about wide FOV (and at this point many/most premium 8x32/42 binoculars have a FOV as wide, or wider, than that of the 7x35 or 7x42 Leicas) this reminded me of something relevant to the question earlier about why there are so many 7x fans, which I don't think is discussed...
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    I don't think anyone is missing anything. It's just that what the Retrovid provides is not what everyone wants. It's not a criticism of the Retrovid, just wishing for something slightly different that fits a different use case. It doesn't have to diminish the enjoyment of those who love their...
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    This is really tilting on the margins since I pulled that word out of thin air lol, but you can't say "coatings" when that term has a very specific, defined use within the optics world. I'm not talking about the glass, I'm talking about the everything else (especially ergonomics).
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    Forgive the term "wrapper", but I just wanted to be clear that I'm confident nobody was complaining about the optical quality when clamoring for a 7x35 Ultravid version. You could literally take the 7x35 Retrovid and "wrap it" in an Ultravid exterior (armor, eyecups, focus knob, etc) with zero...
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    The "problem" with the Retrovid isn't the optics, it's the physical design. No rubber armor, not waterproof, old school focus knob, skinny eyecups. What I am referring to in my post could be optically identical internally to the 7x35 Retrovid, I've heard enough positive feedback from...
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    Yup. And also the reason many Leica fans are disappointed that the BR version of the 7x35 Retrovid never made it to production. The 7x42 UV is the upper limit of what I want to carry and use regularly, and it’s only viable because it handles more like a chunky 32mm than a 42mm. But if Leica...
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    I find the focusers on all the Ultravids that I've owned to be just fine (I'm including the 2011-15 Trinovid since it's essentially an Ultravid under the hood), but I'm used to them. None of them are going to win any "buttery smooth focuser" awards like the Nikon EDG, Zeiss SF, Kowa Genesis...
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    8x32 UVHD+ vs 7x35 Retrovid

    The “raw optical quality” is basically the same, the differences are more about personal taste. More depth of field vs wider apparent FOV is the only significant difference outside of those related to the exit pupil / aperture. For me, it’s all about viewing comfort / ease of use. The 8x32 is...
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