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  1. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    Yes, I’m still intrigued to know the answer to this question - my initial focus on these images was on the head pattern and apparently white rumps of the first two images which seemed ambiguously inconclusive to me - without revisiting everything said above, it would it good to get clarification...
  2. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    Thanks Smiths (Assume you meant Large-billed Reed which is still afaik, localised at a few high altitude breeding sites outside of Pakistan but of its winter movements, it seems little is known.) https://osme.org/2014/07/afghanistan-large-billed-reed-warblers-discovered-breeding/...
  3. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    No worries - I get that (but an ID on the warbler would be good while you’re here please 😁)
  4. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    Thanks to you too Alex - especially with the polite way you are often right 😉
  5. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    I have no more to say on the ID of the terns here other than to say how problematic it is to ID birds from photos at times. At least two very experienced birders (excluding myself) and possibly other very experienced birders that have watched the thread without commenting) have either...
  6. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    ? You said a distinct thin dark tail band is diagnostic for Whiskered Tern - which I was not questioning (as I think you know ) I was questioning how apparent (and therefore how diagnostic in this case) the tail pattern was from the images we have been presented with - (vis a vis other marsh...
  7. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    BB article (quoted previously) it seems has it’s ID criteria for separating these Marsh Terns confused because moult timing, rump/utcs/tail colouring and head pattern as diagnosed for WWBT in the article can be applied here producing ambiguous results, so I would be interested to know: Given...
  8. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    I honestly am struggling to see any diference between the dark tips to #3 and in this image https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/280656641
  9. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    The wrong age and time of year but https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/257287661 https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/257082341
  10. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    From 13 October https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/272881431
  11. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    I don’t see a dark tail band, only some darkened tips to the retrices as the bird in this link https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/280656641 Darkened a bit more by age https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/278841111 (I can see any at all in image #1)
  12. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    Actually, I agree but it is indeed an unusually ‘yellow’ individual. If I ever get to meet Dick Forsman, the first thing I will ask is, ‘Could you please, please write an illustrated book solely on the buteos of Europe, Asia and the Middle East - including explanation of full taxonomic...
  13. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    Do you want to have a go at the Buzzard and Warbler too? 😁
  14. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    As for the Terns, I woud be interested in hearing comments from others who have more experience separating juvenile Marsh Terns at this time of year in Asia.
  15. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    I agree - it’s difficult to see the tail length from this angle and how much of the short impression is due to foreshortened angle. Ideally an image of the wing would clinch it.(or the tail!). The toes actually look quite ‘clubby’ to me. The face pattern perhaps a good fit for a Clam with...
  16. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    Are there any more images of the Warbler at all?
  17. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    I agree this could be a Whiskered Tern, the images are not easy, however, I think the confusion with WWBT snd Black Tern is in danger of being overlooked here: There are features here that are not being considered imo - separating WWBT, Black Tern and Whiskered Tern is not so straight forward...
  18. Deb Burhinus

    Tern, Warbler, Buzzard ID Pakistan

    1. The tern looks like a White-winged Tern to me - Black Tern doesn’t occur in Pakistan 2..Maybe Clamorous Reed Warbler - do you have any more images of this? 3. Not sure about the buteo - it looks very small ...I would say ‘Common‘ without being more specific. (it’s a lovely photo btw)
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