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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    First post here in a very long time. Glad the discussion has remained civil. I'm on the fence about this one, although I think it must be either a RHWO or an IBWO. I'm leaning toward IBWO based on the appearance of the wings in the early frames, but I have by no means made up my mind. I have...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    I think it's somewhere between what you're suggesting and a side view. I'm not going to go through all the pale-billed images to come up with what seems like the closest match. The point is that the dorsal stripe on an IBWO can be obscured when the bird is viewed from a number of different...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Except the mystery bird in the photo is not rear on. It's much closer to being directly side on; the head is turned away from the camera, so the view of the crest alone is rear on. . . and if it were a PIWO, the head and neck ought to show a lot more white at that (or any) angle. Common sense...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Granted it's a different angle. I was about to post Dave's image, which is closer. As for the mantle being obscured, it all depends on wing position, as this image (look at the male) illustrates: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/10/11815871_3a6522241d_o.jpg I know it too is a different angle...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Re: "the neck stripe would extend down the mantle to join the white secondaries." The dorsal stripe is not necessarily visible on an IBWO: http://www.zeiss.de/C12568CF00206298/GraphikTitelIntern/MI_Tanner_7.gif/$File/MI_Tanner_7.gif Bill Pulliam discusses this with regard to other Campephilus...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    You have to download the loops for them to work. As I understand it, the camera was not a remote cam but a hand-held Canon.
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    An interesting footnote to this story: there's a letter from George Lowery to James Tanner in the Tanner files saying, essentially, that based on his personal knowledge of Fielding Lewis, if Lewis was lying, he'd never be able to trust anyone again. Tanner didn't have much to say in response...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    He also describes the Allen 1924 sighting as "the last sightings." This is statement is patently false; there have been numerous sightings since then, quite a few by very competent observers. Whether or not these sightings have been "confirmed" (and again, by whom?), some of them are highly...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Of the nearly 14,000 posts on this thread, this one is probably the most disingenuous. Confirmed by whom? Never mind that Tanner believed that Ivory-bills were present in Florida in the late '30s and accepted several reports from that state as valid, and never mind the multiple recent...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    And the credible reports I was discussing and that he ignored were from the 1930s. . .I think it's very clear from the available information both in Tanner's files and elsewhere, that the population estimate in his monograph is low, whether or not anyone has published on this subject is beside...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Actually, there's a letter in the Tanner files from one of his local informants reporting that a pair was present until late 1948 (November or December) but that they ranged more widely than in the past. This report, which apparently involved multiple sightings and people who knew Tanner and the...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    I recently spent a couple of days going through Tanner's papers, and I'm confident he grossly underestimated the '39 population for a number of reasons. 1. He missed places that probably harbored birds (in addition to the one Fred mentioned,) the Congaree in South Carolina is perhaps the most...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    It's not really about proving a negative. It has much more to do with how thorough search efforts have been and whether there have been any credible sightings. If you compare and contrast the IUCN entries for the C. Principalis and C. Imperialis, you'll find that they're vastly different. Here...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Fred's main point about patience is right on target, and it mirrors what the Red List editors have to say. The more relevant criteria with regard to extinction are these. Clearly, the standard for an EX designation has not been met: EXTINCT (EX) A taxon is Extinct when there is no reasonable...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Paint with a very broad brush much? Your summary is neat and all, but as my last post makes clear, there's a vast difference between Collins and Smith that calling them "cultists" can't elide. The Collins paper had to go through peer review and editing in order to get published. Thus, he...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    I'm not hoping people will forget anything. You seem to be conflating Bill Smith and Mike Collins, whether intentionally or not, at least in your post addressing Dave and who he "hangs out with." Bill Smith promised a (self-published) book about a year ago. Haven't seen it and don't know the...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    First post in quite a while. . .I've got better things to do with my time, but these comments are beyond the pale. When giving a reality check, it's a good idea to have your facts straight. There's a peer-reviewed article coming. Read it; judge for yourself; comment on it; but evaluate it on...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    True, in the narrowest sense that it is not "officially recorded" on the State Records Committe list, as if such lists were the sole arbiter of truth. There are other 19th-century reports from Indiana: http://www.ulib.iupui.edu/collections/butlerbirds/order13.html Similarly, there are...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Sorry you have such low self-esteem. I'm not blustering at all. I'm correcting the record.
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Yes, let's be clear. I didn't "demand" anything. I wrote "might want to start thinking about paying up." It was a bit snarky, but it was in no way a demand. And the willful ignorance remark, which was qualified with a question mark, was in response to a comment that referred to Tobalske as...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    The flight speed of the Collins bird is also inconsistent with PIWO. Here's his comment from May,13: "A paper by Tobalske (Auk, 1996) lists the range of the flight speed of the pileated to be 7.5 to 11.6 m/s. The large woodpecker in the March 29 video has a flight speed of about 14.7 m/s...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Google Tobalske, if you don't know who he is. He's highly reputable, with specific expertise in woodpeckers and their flight patterns. As I wrote, the actual video is approximately seven seconds long, and seeing brief excerpts on the internet is not the same as watching the actual footage, as...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    I haven't posted in a long time because there's been nothing new to say. Now, however, things have changed. Bret Tobalske has examined Mike Collins's actual March 29th footage; he hasn't jumped to conclusions based on viewing a couple of excerpts online. Mike's video includes about 7 seconds of...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    Just for the record, I've joined the OBC as a contributing member (25 Pounds per year) for the next three years. This satifisfies my obligation ($200 USD) under the bet I made with Alan last spring. Don't take the early payment as suggesting that my views have changed. It's for a good cause...
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    Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates)

    There is no basis for those assertions; the logic supporting them is tortured in the extreme, but you have set up some truly remarkable false dichotomies, and in a very few words too. If something's not "definitive" it can "effectively be ignored." If Hill recognizes that the...
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