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Frenchy · Sunday 13th May 2007, 16:52

This is getting good!

After checking, looks like i was wrong on the number of primaries beyond the tertials on Booted. They can have seven. Moral: always check more than one picture!

However, i had a feeling that Booted Warbler can show almost a small notch to the tail, whereas the mystery bird clearly has a slightly rounded tail. See these two Booteds (they are autumn birds but i don't think it should make a difference for this) which seem to support this.

http://www.scillybirding.co.uk/images/Bootedwarbler.jpg

http://www.birdsireland.com/images/2...st/booted2.jpg

Hippolais warblers have taken up many trees worth of ID papers and correspondance in the journals. They can be a very tricky group! I'm going to have to resort to the unscientific view that it just looks too long for a Booted, with a large bill that has a completely pale lower mandible. Booted usually has a dark tip to the lower Check out:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3D10%26hl%3Den

Athough these ones do have a completely pale lower mandible...

http://www.kolkatabirds.com/bootedwarbler8cf.jpg

http://www.scillybirding.co.uk/images/Booted-4.jpg

However, i'm yet to find one with striking pale fringes to the secondaries and tertials, and they always seem to look like this:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3D10%26hl%3Den

and this:

http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/se...ID=&pagesize=1

with the closest match being this bird:

http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/se...ID=&pagesize=1

This is a very interesting bird! Still think thats it an Upcher's based on a number of factors that have been mentioned throughout this thread. I think that while there are individual features that may be shown by Booted as well, they don't all add up to make the complete package. I've been wrong before though...

Sunday 13th May 2007, 16:52	#28
Frenchy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 1,869 My location	This is getting good! After checking, looks like i was wrong on the number of primaries beyond the tertials on Booted. They can have seven. Moral: always check more than one picture! However, i had a feeling that Booted Warbler can show almost a small notch to the tail, whereas the mystery bird clearly has a slightly rounded tail. See these two Booteds (they are autumn birds but i don't think it should make a difference for this) which seem to support this. http://www.scillybirding.co.uk/images/Bootedwarbler.jpg http://www.birdsireland.com/images/2...st/booted2.jpg Hippolais warblers have taken up many trees worth of ID papers and correspondance in the journals. They can be a very tricky group! I'm going to have to resort to the unscientific view that it just looks too long for a Booted, with a large bill that has a completely pale lower mandible. Booted usually has a dark tip to the lower Check out: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3D10%26hl%3Den Athough these ones do have a completely pale lower mandible... http://www.kolkatabirds.com/bootedwarbler8cf.jpg http://www.scillybirding.co.uk/images/Booted-4.jpg However, i'm yet to find one with striking pale fringes to the secondaries and tertials, and they always seem to look like this: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3D10%26hl%3Den and this: http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/se...ID=&pagesize=1 with the closest match being this bird: http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/se...ID=&pagesize=1 This is a very interesting bird! Still think thats it an Upcher's based on a number of factors that have been mentioned throughout this thread. I think that while there are individual features that may be shown by Booted as well, they don't all add up to make the complete package. I've been wrong before though...