Howard, for those of us not on mbnet, is it possible to post those comments on here as well, or provide a link? It would be really useful to have everything in one place. I see that Killian Mullarney has suggested Eastern Olivaceous as the best fit. The only comment from Killian i've read is the very brief one that you posted on EBN. Was there any more? Also, any chance you could post your photoshopped overlays? Sorry if thats asking a lot, but it would really help the learning curve.