If you want the best optics price no object it would be either the Swarovski 8x25 CL-P or the new Zeiss Victory 8x25. I have looked through both of them and IMO the Swarovski is a tad better. Quality wise the Swarovski is definitely better and there have been several complaints about the quality of the Zeiss Victory 8x25 here on Bird Forum. IMO the 8x20's are too finicky for me. I tried the Zeiss Terra 8x25 and thought it was a big step down from the alpha compacts both quality and optics. IMO it seemed cheap in build quality and the hinges were loose. I returned it.