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Hermann
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Thanks Jan. That's pretty interesting stuff. So these aren't really "real" Trinovids anymore. Thought so after it became clear that they don't use Uppendahl prisms. Also explains why the 8x40 and the 10x40 seem to have a flatter field than I remembered from the old, "real" Trinovid which I know quite well.
Some questions / thoughts:
- Why do they claim the Trinovid is only "splashproof" rather than waterproof? They apparently changed the focusing mechanism, so I can't see any reason why this binocular shouldn't be waterproof.
- What do you mean by "Sturdy built, but basic"? Can you elaborate on this point a bit?
- No signs of "the regular well known Oriëntal components" - does that imply that they really make all the components in Portugal? Hard to answer, still, that's an interesting question, I think.
Thanks again. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the construction next week ... :t:
Hermann
jan van daalen
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Hi Hermann,
In Holland we only have one, AFAIK, qualified repair institute and this one repairs every brand and is longer in business then I am.
He reckognizes OEM made components and is honest about it.
I can only repeat his words, but I'll ask him Wednesday.
Jan
jan van daalen
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You're all welcome.
Since English is not my native language, I could have (unintentionally) "insulted" some people who also live on this planet. It turns out that POS (Point Of Sale material) is also known as Piece Of Sh** and the term Oriëntal is a term some Rednecks seem to use where others use the phrase Far East.
I really didn't had any clue.
Reading the manual/warranty it states that this Trinovid has a warranty for ten years on material defects and five years on the labour costs, but NOT warranted is defects on the leather armoring, eyecups and all other accessoires like ocular- and objective caps, bags and straps.
Jan
Since English is not my native language, I could have (unintentionally) "insulted" some people who also live on this planet. It turns out that POS (Point Of Sale material) is also known as Piece Of Sh** and the term Oriëntal is a term some Rednecks seem to use where others use the phrase Far East.
I really didn't had any clue.
Reading the manual/warranty it states that this Trinovid has a warranty for ten years on material defects and five years on the labour costs, but NOT warranted is defects on the leather armoring, eyecups and all other accessoires like ocular- and objective caps, bags and straps.
Jan
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Jan,
many thanks for the interesting information. I am not so familiar with SP prisms, so what does that mean? Is it a special variant of SP? Why isn't it used in other binoculars, slim binoculars look nice.
Thomas
jan van daalen
Well-known member
Hi Thomas,
I don't have any clue.
Just what he told me. It looked different from "normal" SP's.
Jan
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
Excellent thread folks, I'm really enjoying the technical discussion! I particularly find it interesting that Leica states only splash-proof, but it is implied further up in the thread that the construction is "typical/modern" if you will, and that that should permit waterproof sealing. Jan, would it be possible to inquire the opinion of your friend regarding this - was there any gasketing/sealing, or is there a clear reason why it couldn't have been waterproofed?
Many thanks again!
Josh
Many thanks again!
Josh
Kevin Conville
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Well, I will continue using the name Retrovid, with all due respect.
Three reasons:
1. I invented that name, so of course I am not going to abandon it (that‘s the weakest reason) :-O
2. Pseudovid in the English language sounds almost like Sudoko (if the latter is properly pronounced, with the emphasis on the first syllable), and that creates unwelcome confusion
3. „Pseudo“ has a negative connotation. We would be calling it „Pseudo“ just because the outside looks „real“, but the inside is not what you expect; that seems a bit harsh, does it not, esp. if performance is perhaps (needs to be confirmed!!!) amazingly good?
Let‘s see what Jan comes back with and reconsider then.
juts my 2 ct.
Canip
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jan van daalen
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Well, I will continue using the name Retrovid, with all due respect.
Three reasons:
1. I invented that name, so of course I am not going to abandon it (that‘s the weakest reason) :-O
2. Pseudovid in the English language sounds almost like Sudoko (if the latter is properly pronounced, with the emphasis on the first syllable), and that creates unwelcome confusion
3. „Pseudo“ has a negative connotation. We would be calling it „Pseudo“ just because the outside looks „real“, but the inside is not what you expect; that seems a bit harsh, does it not, esp. if performance is perhaps (needs to be confirmed!!!) amazingly good?
Let‘s see what Jan comes back with and reconsider then.
juts my 2 ct.
Canip
I would go for the Retrovid version also
I think that "basic built" also includes the lack of waterproofness/not nitrogene filled. At least they were fair about that. The Originals weren't either.
Jan
John A Roberts
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Hi Canip,
One could argue that Pseudovid may be technically more accurate i.e. an imitation of something else - and often a lesser one
(and if so, if one was feeling particularly harsh, then perhaps a case could even be made for something such as Ersatzvid or Fauxvid!)
However, besides the lack of a negative inference, the big advantage of Retrovid is that it has an immediate association with the past - in this instance the original Leitz Trinovid
Which shows the aptness of the term that you coined
John
One could argue that Pseudovid may be technically more accurate i.e. an imitation of something else - and often a lesser one
(and if so, if one was feeling particularly harsh, then perhaps a case could even be made for something such as Ersatzvid or Fauxvid!)
However, besides the lack of a negative inference, the big advantage of Retrovid is that it has an immediate association with the past - in this instance the original Leitz Trinovid
Which shows the aptness of the term that you coined
John
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Hermann
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That's what I thought. Should not be that much of a problem in real life actually. Not suitable for use in the bathtub though ...
Good. I don't like the use of plastics (and glue) at all. I'm sure there are plenty of binculars around that contain plastic parts ...
From my impressions of the 8x40 I'd hazard a guess that transmission will likely be just a bit higher than the Trinovid HD.
Hermann
Jan (post # 194) and John (post # 195),
Tks for your support about not dropping the Retrovid name (is that what they mean be „name-dropping“?).
My post was only half-serious and so was yours, I suppose.
Whether Retrovid is the right name or not, what strikes me is that Leica chose the plain term Trinovid.
Not only does this create confusion with older models, it seems also „counter-intuitive“ to me to sell a Trinovid as an up-market model with a higher price than a „Trinovid HD“ which by its name implies higher performance.
That, combined with the hardly comprehensible decision to only sell via Leica Stores, may hamper sales significantly (I first believed that the exclusivity argument might have some merit, but believe that less and less).
But of course, it‘s Leica‘s business, not mine, so I am sure they must have been thinking hard about that ....
Tks for your support about not dropping the Retrovid name (is that what they mean be „name-dropping“?).
My post was only half-serious and so was yours, I suppose.
Whether Retrovid is the right name or not, what strikes me is that Leica chose the plain term Trinovid.
Not only does this create confusion with older models, it seems also „counter-intuitive“ to me to sell a Trinovid as an up-market model with a higher price than a „Trinovid HD“ which by its name implies higher performance.
That, combined with the hardly comprehensible decision to only sell via Leica Stores, may hamper sales significantly (I first believed that the exclusivity argument might have some merit, but believe that less and less).
But of course, it‘s Leica‘s business, not mine, so I am sure they must have been thinking hard about that ....
henry link
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Thanks for the additional information, Jan.
I'm uncertain about the lens count from your description above. Is the total objective group made up of 3 fixed lenses (1 cemented doublet separated by an air space from a singlet) followed by a moving focusing singlet for a total of 4 lenses, or is it a fixed cemented doublet followed by a moving focusing singlet for a total of 3 lenses?
Does the ocular have a total of 3 lenses (1 singlet and 1 cemented doublet) or does it have 3 groups (2 singlets and 1 cemented doublet) for a total of 4 lenses?
Leica's light transmission spec is 88%. I'm looking forward to seeing Gijs's measurements.
Everybody, I didn't consider Psuedovid to be a serious name, but it is a serious criticism of the way these binoculars are being represented by Leica.
Henry
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jan van daalen
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Hi Canip,
Indeed, the Retrovid name was intended as fun
In defence of Leica:-C.... the first Retrovid had Uppendahls. These were just to expensive (?) so Higher Command decided to go for SP and exclusive sales.
So the circle after Post one is roundB
Jan
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