"hudsonian" Whimbrel (1 Viewer)

Dougie Preston

I live for this S**T

• Sep 1, 2007

• #1

Does anyone out there know what the latest thinking is on this sub-species?

Have the Americans separated this one already, and how long do you reckon it'll be before the BOU recognize it as a full sp?

There must be a few hopefuls like me who have either seen the Cambrian or the Fair Isle birds, waiting to add this to there lists!

 

Richard Klim

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• Sep 1, 2007

• #2

Numenius hudsonicus is recognised by DBA/CSNA, but not yet by AOU, ABA, AERC, BOURC, STC, Dickinson (Howard & Moore) 2003, Gill & Wright (IOC) 2006 or Clements 2007.

 

Dougie Preston

I live for this S**T

• Sep 1, 2007

• #3

Cheers for that, looks like we might be in for a long wait then eh!

 

Xenospiza

Distracted

• Sep 1, 2007

• #4

To me, it not only looks but also sounds different from European birds. Stay in that armchair!

 

jcwings

Well-known member

• Sep 2, 2007

• #5

Formerly (historically) called Hudsonian Curlew.

 

Richard Klim

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• Sep 2, 2007

• #6

...and indeed recognised as such by AOU until lumped with phaeopus in the AOU checklist 5th edition (1957).

 

Microtus

Maryland USA (he/him)

• Sep 5, 2007

• #7

... and hopefully one day it will be rightfully restored to species status.

Cheers,

Microtus

 

Farnboro John

Well-known member

• Sep 12, 2007

• #8

What does IQ40 say then?

John

 

sylvia staffs

Filthy tick hungary Twitcher

• Sep 12, 2007

• #9

Farnboro John said:

What does IQ40 say then?

John

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Tick!!!!!!!!

get it on your list:t:

Sylvia

 

Dougie Preston

I live for this S**T

• Sep 17, 2007

• #10

sylvia staffs said:

Tick!!!!!!!!

get it on your list:t:

Sylvia

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I might be just a wee bit biased, but I would tend to agree. The two birds look very different given a good look.

 

Farnboro John

Well-known member

• Sep 18, 2007

• #11

What do they sound like Dougie? I must have heard them in Florida but can't remember (it was 1988).

John

 

Dougie Preston

I live for this S**T

• Sep 18, 2007

• #12

When I seen the Fair Isle bird it was resting and didn't call or fly while I was there, so still don't know for myself! Was told they sound just the same by a couple of birders living on Fair Isle, who had heard this bird call frequently.

I still managed to get the dark rump etc with the bird wing flapping and preening, and the head stripes seemed a lot stronger too. Interestingly the bill seemed very long for a Whimbrel as well, much more the length of a Curlew, but there is a lot of size difference in the sexes!

 

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Lawts

Supa Silly Un

• Sep 18, 2007

• #13

Lawts 2007 does not afford the species separate status.

..............dipped at Barrow-in-Furness! Definately only a sub-species.

 

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Edward woodwood

Member

• Sep 18, 2007

• #14

for those of you wanting to know if you can tick it...

'marked' genetic differences i think...

plumage differences (hudsonicus showing dark rump and under-wings, unlike the European nominate race with its white rump and under-wings)

calls though are similar in contrast to the many allotaxa in the Scolopacidae treated as separate species”

This is the position of the SACC (South American Classification Committee) of American Ornithologists' Union based Zink et al. (1995) I expect it will be split when they get around to it!

many people must have seen this bird now. Suprised this info isn't more widely known.