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Decide on three compact binoculars (1 Viewer)

wachipilotes

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Hello,
I'm trying to decide on one of the following models, compact binoculars:
- Minox BV 8x25 BR
- Canon 8X25 IS
- Kowa BD 8x25 DCF Series
Could someone advise me on this?
Thank you very much in advance for your attention and advice.
Wachi
 
Hello,
I'm trying to decide on one of the following models, compact binoculars:
- Minox BV 8x25 BR
- Canon 8X25 IS
- Kowa BD 8x25 DCF Series
Could someone advise me on this?
Thank you very much in advance for your attention and advice.
Wachi
I think I would go with the Canon 8x25 IS. For the money the best optics. The Canon 10x30 IS is quite a bit better but it is bigger. The stabilization will help you see detail.
 
Hello,
I am looking a pocket binocular , small, maneageable for all purporse, camping, birding, wide angle day vistas..
Thank you very much
Wachi
 
Of your choices I've only owned the Canon IS 8x25. I didn't like it. Cheap plasticky build, and jumpy, jerky IS. You don't need IS at 8x.
Get yourself a Hawke Sapphire ED 8x25 and be done with it.
 
Of your choices I've only owned the Canon IS 8x25. I didn't like it. Cheap plasticky build, and jumpy, jerky IS. You don't need IS at 8x.
Get yourself a Hawke Sapphire ED 8x25 and be done with it.
Binastro disagrees with you.




"Canon 8x25 IS brief test
. This test of the 8×25 image stabilised binocular on a bright sunny day.
Weight 498 g with battery.
Field 6.50° or 6.55° approximately, no chance to test it on the stars.

Almost no chromatic aberration centrally, some chromatic aberration at the edges.

A small amount of pincushion distortion at the edges.

Possibly made in April 2014. Made in Japan

Compared with a full-size top-quality 10×42 binocular the image in the 8×25 is much less bright.
However, the white pillars are white.

The resolution of the small pimple on the chimney pot 400 feet away is 50% to 70% better than without the image stabiliser. In fact it cannot be seen without the stabiliser.
But I'm judging it against many other binoculars.
The resolution of the 8×25 with the stabiliser on is equivalent to a good standard 13 times binocular. This is for a static target.

Looking at an aircraft about 2 1/2 miles away it was easy to read the carrier's name on the side of the aircraft with the stabiliser on but impossible to read it with the stabiliser off.
On a moving target such as this the resolution is 100% better with the stabiliser on.
And an aircraft 10 miles distant easily showed the winglets with the stabiliser on but these were not seen with the stabiliser off.

A carrion crow happened to be sitting 1.5 feet to the right of the pimple on the chimney pot.
Much more detail was seen with the stabiliser on, perhaps 100% better.
However, there was a hint of false colour at the edge of the crows outline.

With the stabiliser on, the oscillations have about the same frequency as with the stabiliser off, but the amplitude is about 1/8 as much.
This looks rather strange if you carefully examine the detail, as there is an obvious fairly rapid but very small oscillation.
This seems to be quite different to the stabilisation of the larger Canon binoculars such as the 18×50 and others of 10×,12 times and 15 times.

The 8×25 has a tilt mechanism apparently of the third element of the objective from the front, whereas I think that the others have variable prisms.
There is also an optical window in front of the 8×25 and I think in front of many, perhaps all of the other Canon image stabilised binoculars.

If you look into the front of the binocular you can see an element moving as you press the stabiliser button. The stabiliser only operates when you press the button.

There are two perhaps three uncoated surfaces at the front of the binocular, but the eyepiece, which is quite complex has nice multi-coatings.
I would guess that the transmission is about 75% to 80%.
I don't know how the focusing is done, or whether the tilting element is also the focusing element, but probably not?

This is a great little binocular for some, but it is not waterproof.
It will be mainly used for watching cricket matches.
It does not seem to be as robust as a top quality binocular, but it costs less than half as much.
The guarantee is only one year.
For elderly people or people who have unsteady hands this should definitely be a binocular to be considered.

I have tested an earlier 8×25 image stabilised binocular but I'm not sure if it had a different stabiliser system."
 
I just added to that post a brief test of an older 8x25 that moves whole front internal groups rather than single elements of the new system.
Inertia must be much less and the new system probably much quicker to counteract hand movement plus possible faster software?
The old system is jerky.
 
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Hi Wachi,

Adding one more that I ended up getting (also was looking at the Minox): Opticron T3 Trailfinder WP 8x25. Low price point, really good armoring and build, tethered objective lens caps, nice padded case, close focus, lightweight and a very clear view to boot. Not the best out there--(I mean $95!) but for some very decent optics to pack and go, this was a good choice for me.

Hello,
I'm trying to decide on one of the following models, compact binoculars:
- Minox BV 8x25 BR
- Canon 8X25 IS
- Kowa BD 8x25 DCF Series
Could someone advise me on this?
Thank you very much in advance for your attention and advice.
Wachi
 
One proviso, although the old binocular seems to have a good battery, I will retest with a brand new battery as I know from experience subtle changes as battery slowly discharges.

Sancho, no problems.

I know birdwatchers need different things to my interests.
Bright image, waterproof, tough, reliable etc. Resolution is only one aspect of binocular suitability.
 
I just added to that post a brief test of an older 8x25 that moves whole front internal groups rather than single elements of the new system.
Inertia must be much less and the new system probably much quicker to counteract hand movement plus possible faster software?
The old system is jerky.
Interesting so they did change the IS system on the 8x25 IS. The Canon IS's have very good optics. Maybe not alpha level but the fact of the matter is if you want to see detail most people will see more on a tripod or with a Canon IS. Being steady helps. The Canon 8x25 IS's are very popular with the general public. Look at all the 5 and 4 star reviews on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Image-S...sr=8-1&keywords=canon+8x25+is#customerReviews
 
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Okay, I confess. The IS 8x25 actually do have very nice, flat optics. Not very impressive FOV, but great colour, contrast and sharpness. For looking at garden birds, they are superb; you will see amazing feather detail in rock-steady views.
But for practical birding in the field, they are next to useless. On pressing the IS button, there is a massive jump in the view, followed by a fuzz which requires re-focussing. A skulky warbler can be lost long before you re-adjust. Also when panning, the image shifts in and out of focus unbearably. These two issues, added to the cheap non-waterproof finish, make them unsuitable for all but stationary birding of practically motionless birds.
Oddly, the Canons I most enjoyed using (and I've owned them all, bar the 18x50), were the 12x36. But I dropped them.
 
. It may be that the problem of going out of focus has been cured with the new system.

The old system, from what I can see, moves the whole front internal elements, including critically, the objectives, and the whole cell that contains the objective and perhaps another element behind. The inertia of this large long moving component may be meant that it couldn't work properly.
In the new system the objectives seem to be fixed, and the only thing that moves seems to be a thin element behind the objectives. This could be a flat optical plate or perhaps curved with some power or not.
I did not notice any change of focus with the new system. But I didn't have it long enough to be sure.

I had no trouble at all following an aircraft, which was pin sharp the whole time that the stabiliser button was pressed, but of course this was essentially at the infinity focus position.

I think that in the main the Canon 8×25 IS binocular would suit the elderly and those with unsteady hands as the 10×30 is probably a better general binocular.

Did the 12 x 36 break when you dropped it, Sancho, or did it bounce undamaged.
I'm pretty sure a Leica binocular would survive this.
 
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Did the 12 x 36 break when you dropped it, Sancho, or did it bounce undamaged.
I'm pretty sure a Leica binocular would survive this.

Ah it broke alright, Binastro. Knocked way out of collimation. I sent it to Canon UK and it came back with the collimation okay, but the IS unworkable. I concluded that these are delicate binos that can't be repaired once damaged. I might in the future surrender my Swaro SLC 15x56 in favour of another Canon IS 12x36. Maybe I'll need them - this ageing process has me worried!
 
I wouldn't worry too much, Sancho.
It is better to get old than not to get old.

I agree that they are rather delicate. Maybe a tripod mounted binocular would be suitable.

I have smashed a beloved camera onto concrete, a 10x70 monocular onto granite and a few eyepieces.
 
True. I use my big swarovski now, for sea watching, on a monopod while sat on a foldable campchair, with the monopod foot resting on the seat between my knees. It's about as stable a view as one needs.
 
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