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woodfordii

At least I would disagree what's written here regarding Charles Morris Woodford (1852–1927). He was not even born when the bird was described.

African Wood-OwlStrix woodfordii (Smith 1834) Most sources agree that the bird was named after Colonel EJA Woodward (1761-1825) an English collector of bird paintings although McKay states that it was named for Charles Morris Woodford who visited South Africa on his way to or from the Solomon Islands between 1886 and 1888.

The first guy is already mentioned in the key. Here some more information about him:
woodfordiana: for Emperor John Alexander Woodford (1761-1835), Captain in the 17th Leicestershire Regiment, rose to Colonel, fought at Salamanca and Waterloo, also a natural history collector and dealer in bird art, had a large and valuable library. The African wood owl (Strix woodfordii) is named for him. 'Emperor' is not a title but derives from his mother's name, Mary Emperor.

But even on this plant here I would not necessarily gor for Emperor John Alexander Woodford.
 
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royrei

If we look here we can see a M. Royre, chirurgien-major de la Girafe (garbare la Girafe). I have no clue if this garbare was ever in Gabon.

But this gentleman could be

Royre (Gabriel- Pierre), médecin auxiliaire de la marine

But no clear evidence that he ever was in Gabon and if the first one is the same person as Gabriel Pierre Royre. Anyway it was Jules Verreaux who may have labled the bird in the Bremen Museum here.

According to Leonore Gabriel Pierre Royre (1817-1899).
 
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woodfordii as in:
• the African Wood-Owl (Ciccaba) Strix woodfordii A. SMITH 1834 (here) as "Noctua Woodfordii" a k a "West African Wood Owl" or simply "African Owl" alt. "Woodford's Owl"

With no opinion what-so-ever (this far) on the dedicatee, note that Vallance, Moore & Groves (2001) claim that Emperor John Alexander Woodford died in "1817" (here), which is somewhat backed up by him being a Fellow of the Linnean Society of London (as of here, search for the full name), only until that particular year.

There's no Woodford mentioned in the Intro (here) of Smith's multi-multi-parted Paper. And note that his only reference for this Owl, goes to "Large-eyed Owl, Latham.? History of Birds, vol. i. p. 360" (leading us here alt. here), from 1821: "In the drawings of Colonel Woodford"

The, or a (?), "Colonel Woodford" is also mentioned, in the same Work, by Latham, on page 228.

If of any help?

Björn
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Rafinesque

but Rafinesque 1815 steals the winners prize; most of his names are corruptive, based on earlier authors.
You must read his Principes fondamentaux somiologie (1814) to start understanding (a bit) what he did. Rafinesque built his own, complex system of nomenclatural rules (that no one but him ever started to use, so far as I'm aware), which invalidated a significant number of names. In Analyse (1815), he then replaced a considerable number of names in application to his rules, but indeed without explaining which rule(s) was/were causing the problem(s) -- he wrote that he would explain the changes he adopted there elsewhere (see [p. 51]) but never did -- thus we can only guess, which in most cases is quite difficult due to the complexity of the system.


One of the names flagged as "no expl." in the Key and cited from Analyse actually dates from Principes, and was explained there: Anseria Rafinesque 1814 -
65.: 33. Règle. Les noms génèriques qui sont formés par la soustraction ou l'addition d'une ou plusieurs lettres ou syllabes au commencement ou à la fin d'un autre nom générique, ne peuvent pas être tolérés, il fant les changer ou en altérer la terminaison en telle sorte que le Genre radical devienne méconnaissable.
Obs. Cette règle se lie avec la précédente & elles se supportent réciproquement, les Genres Talpa L. & Catalpa J., Bromelia L. & Melia L., Cancer L. & Anser Brisson, Sinapis L. & Apis L. en sont des exemples; il faut dans tous les cas semblables conserver le nom antérieur (à moins qu'il ne soit d'ailleurs moins convenable) & modifier les autres; ainsi il faudra adopter Catalpium R., Ananas T., Anseria R. & Apicula R. au lieu de Catalpa, Bromelia, Anser & Apis.
Anseria Rafinesque 1814 was explicitly proposed to replace Anser Brisson, which Rafinesque regarded as conflicting with (preoccupied by -- sort of) the crab genus name Cancer Linnaeus 1758, because he did not admit generic names differing only in the presence/absence of one or more letter(s) at the start or end of the word.


One rule that seems to have been rather important to him was that, in his view, a generic name was ideally 3-4 syllables; 2- and 5-syllable names were admissible, but only if they did not break any other rule. (Even "soft" rules, that in isolation would have made the name "less good", but not not per se unacceptable.) Monosyllabic names and less-than-perfect disyllabic names had to be lengthened, names with more than 5 syllables, and presumably less-than-perfect 5-syllable names, had to be shortened (even if this was at the cost of corrupting the stems).


In the Key, a number of names that are replacement names in Analyse, are apparently not readily interpreted as such. In Rafinesque's lists of animals in this work, each recognised taxonomic genus received a number. When two names were placed under the same number, these names were treated as synonyms -- the first name, often attributed to Rafinesque himself, being then intended to replace/be used instead of the second one, which was felt improper for some reason.

Thus, to stay with wildfowl, Anassus Rafinesque 1815 -
Sous-famille. ANSERINIA. Les Ansèriens. Bec large, sans crêtes ni places nues sur la tête. G. 8. Anseria R. 9. Anassus R. Anas L. 10. Camploris R. 11. Solmorincus.
...is a replacement name for Anas Linnaeus 1758, used here for the ninth genus of family "Serrirostria" (with Anas cited as a synonym). Possibly (?) conflicting with Ananas (accepted in Principes; Anas is senior, but shorter than ideal, which might have made the preference lean towards Ananas). I'd suggest that Anassus may be best interpreted as a simple, arbitrary, lengthening of Anas. (And it is in any case not a synonym of Anser.)

Similarly, Sularius Rafinesque 1815 -
2. Sous famille PLOTTIDIA. Les Plottidiens. Bec serreté. G. 4. Sularius R. Sula Lac. 5. Phaeton L. 6. Plottus L.
...is a replacement name for Sula (attributed to Lacépède by Rafinesque), presumably also formed by arbitrary lengthening of the original disyllabic name -- which may also have conflicted with some other name, albeit I'm not clear which.
(There is no need of a question mark in "?syn. Sula". Also, saying that Sularius is "placed in Ptiopodia, sub-family Plottidia, before Sula" as the Key currently does is a bit misleading, as this suggests that Sula was treated as valid and distinct. It was neither.)
 
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Laurent, many thanks for your remarks on Rafinesque 1815 and background info. Currently hacking my way through his names (just finished Bynamphus), and will find your comments very useful (acknowledged as usual).
 
Re Mathews names:
"The large private collection of G. Mathews was bought by W. Rothschild who had apparently promised Mathews that it would go to the British Museum of Natural History (London). Mathews was upset when his collection was sold to the AMNH along with the rest of the Rothschild Collection in 1932. One of the things Mayr had planned to do was to finish a list of Mathews’ types, a task that Hartert had begun in Tring. However, Mayr was unable to complete this type list, but he left at the AMNH his card file of Mathews’ taxonomic names which is still very useful today (M. LeCroy, pers. comm.)."
From Jürgen Haffer Ornithology, Evolution, and Philosophy The Life and Science of Ernst Mayr 1904–2005
 
Minor issue:
Emperor John Alexander Woodford was christened on 24 Mar 1764 (Hampshire Parish Registers, 1538-1980). In the 18th C it would have been unusual to christen a baby at age 3 (due to infant mortality).

The UK National Archives have letters from Emperor's executor in Bordeaux dated 1817-19 suggesting that he did indeed died in 1817 possibly in Brazil.

Following further research it now seems rather unlikely that Smith named anything after Emperor Woodford in 1834. Woodford left England in 1809 "under a cloud" as he was indited in a huge scandal whereupon he was accused of illegally selling positions in the East India Company to the highest bidder. The matter was discussed at length in Westminster and was a major cause célèbre in post Napoleonic England. By September 1810 a number of newspapers were reporting he was living in exile in the Court of the Prince Regent of Portugal in Rio de Janeiro.
 
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woodfordii

Following Post #21, #23, and #29, regarding ...

• the African Wood-Owl (Ciccaba) Strix woodfordii A. SMITH 1834 as "Noctua Woodfordii" a k a "West African Wood Owl" or simply "African Owl" alt. "Woodford's Owl"

Note that John Latham only called him "Colonel Woodford" in the very first volume of A General History of Birds (1821) ... !?

In vol. 2, 1822, we find him (surely it must be the same guy?) as "Mr. Woodford" four times; here, here, here and here. In the same work, vol. 3 (1822), as ditto, seven times: here, here, here, here, here, here and here, in vol. 4 (1822), equally seven times: here (in foot-note, bottom page), as well as; here, here, here, here, here and here, in vol. 5 (1822), twice: here and here (though in the latter, only; "M. Woodford"), in vol. 6 and 7 (1823): not mentioned, in vol. 8 (1823), as ditto; here, and suddenly (!), as "The late Mr. Woodford ..."), three times; here (in foot-note), as well as; here and here, in vol. 9 and 10 (1824), as well as the Index (1821-1828): not mentioned.

With such a large collection of drawings, all connected to Latham, surely someone ought to know who owned them? A Colonel/Mr Woodford who apparently died, or was (alt. became known as) dead, in 1823.


If we are to trust the respectable Auction firm Sotheby's, and their Catalogue from a Sale, for an estimate of 300,000 — 500,000 £ (!!!), from 15 November 2012 (here, or see quote below), it does talk in favour of Emperor John Alexander Woodford!

Ornithology.
A MAGNIFICENT COLLECTION OF ORIGINAL ORNITHOLOGICAL WATERCOLOURS AND PRINTS. LATE EIGHTEENTH TO EARLY NINETEENTH CENTURY
13 volumes, with a separate, slightly later systematic manuscript index, together 14 volumes, folio (c.480 x 340mm.), approximately 1219 illustrations comprising 893 fine original watercolour drawings by Ramsay Richard Reinagle, Jean Lebrecht Reinold, Sydenham Teast Edwards, and J.W. Lewin, many with additional backgrounds added by Reinagle, and 326 hand-coloured engravings, mainly from Buffon, the majority with additional original watercolour backgrounds by Reinagle, the watercolours made from specimens in the collections of the Prince of Orange, Joseph Banks, the Leverian Museum, the British Museum, and others, some illustrations with accompanying manuscript notes and attributions, arranged taxonomically with a few pages left blank presumably in anticipation of further watercolours, eleven of the thirteen volumes bound in contemporary red half morocco, the other two bound in contemporary half calf, the index in contemporary wrappers, some wear to bindings, the calf bindings very worn.

PROVENANCE
Emperor Woodford, sale (“The very valuable and elegant library of Emperor John Alexander Woodford Esq… [containing] an unique and exquisitely beautiful collection of prints and coloured drawings in ornithology”), Leigh and Sotheby, 11 May 1809, lot 1773; bought by John Dent, sale ("The splendid, curious, and extensive library of the late John Dent… including… a magnificent and unique collection of ornithology"), Evans, 25 April 1827, lot 931, £220 10s (a First Folio of Shakespeare in the same sale made £110 5s)

CATALOGUE NOTE
A magnificent and unique collection of ornithological drawings and prints, assembled by the colourful Emperor Woodford, a London naturalist and army officer who fled the country in 1809 in the face of accounting irregularities. The collection apparently constitutes an attempt to update Buffon, the most comprehensive record to date, and figure all known rare or exotic birds, drawing on many of the most important natural history collections of the day including those of François Levaillant, Joseph Banks, the Leverian Museum, the menagerie of the Prince of Orange and others. Woodford’s volumes, sold after his flight in 1809, were then acquired by the noted bibliophile John Dent F.R.S.
I think this wrap it up, doesn't it!?

If not proven otherwise I would say that Strix woodfordii [ex Latham's "Large-eyed Owl" 1821: "In the drawings of Colonel Woodford"] does commemorate the British naturalist and army officer (Colonel), Emperor Woodford, (?1764–1817?), large scale bibliophile, and ditto collector of Ornithological Illustrations and Prints, etc. etc., ... who fled the country, after a Scandal, in 1809 (for Rio de Janeiro), whose full name was Emperor John Alexander Woodford [his given name Emperor is not a Royal title, but derives from his Mother's Maiden name; Mary Emperor]. Most likely he was born in 1764 and he presumably died in 1817 ...

I don't think Smith took any moral position in commemorating him (as in having any judgement regarding the Scandal), but only considered Woodford's huge and valuable Ornithological collection (being of major importance for Latham's work).

Anyone who disagree?

Björn
 
scheltobriuscha is from a non-binomal work. ....
The name scheltobriuscha itself might origin in a non-binomal work (like so, soooo many others), but there it is! In Rey 's 1872 work.

But I couldn't find it in any of Lepechin's Papers in BHL's Novi commentarii Academiae Scientiarum Imperialis Petropolitanae.

In my mind it´s most likely of a/the Russian vernacular name (or a similar version); "Schelto Bruscha", like for the Yellowhammer Emberiza citrinella... !?! As the "Gelbbäuchlein", here!?

Björn
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The name scheltobriuscha itself might origin in a non-binomal work (like so, soooo many others), but there it is! In Rey 's 1872 work.
The word that Lepechin used originally was Sheltobrjuschka : https://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/i...0.517,"panY":0.48,"view":"info","zoom":0.585}
But he quoted this as a Russian name of the bird -- "die Bachstelze mit dem gelben Bauche" -- he didn't use it as a scientific name.
желтобрюшка (nowadays in an English context, this would probably be written zheltobryushka) means "yellowbelly" (< желтый, zheltyĭ = yellow; брюшко, bryushko = belly)

The bird is a Citrine Wagtail.
 
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Today's updated HBW Alive Key:
scheltobriuscha
According to Georgi 1800, schelto bruschka yellow belly, is a Russian name for the Citrine Wagtail (Björn Bergenholtz in litt.); "255. Budytes citreolus. Bp. ... Synonymik. ... [Motacilla] scheltobriuscha. Lepech. 255" (Rey 1872, Synonymik der Europäischen Brutvögel und Gäste, 213) (syn. Motacilla citreola).

Quit a team work! But Laurent was the one who cracked it, in Post #34, ... thereby; wouldn't it be better to quote Lepechin himself (1775): "Die Bachstelze mit dem gelben Bauche, (russish: Sheltobriuschka g.)" [The Wagtail with the yellow Belly, (Russian; Sheltobriuschka g.)"], than my (nothing but lucky) findings, from Georgi (1800) ... ?

I never got closer than the Yellowhammer! However, either way, still the same meaning; both birds with Schelto/желтый/zheltyĭ/gelben/yellow and Bruscha/брюшко/bryushko/bauche/belly.

Honour where honour is due.

I am more pleased that I/we managed to crack woodfordii

Björn

PS. What does Lepechin's "g." stands for? In an Antiqua (non-Fraktur) typeface ...
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