I agree, that’s why I wrote „appears“, it is in fact the same size as the EL, but due to the much narrower „waist“ it appears more compact if you don‘t put it side by side with other binos (although it is definitely compact compared to the SF).
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Swarovski NL 8x42 - First Impressions (1 Viewer)
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I agree, that’s why I wrote „appears“, it is in fact the same size as the EL, but due to the much narrower „waist“ it appears more compact if you don‘t put it side by side with other binos (although it is definitely compact compared to the SF).
The mention of these being brighter than the EL SV seems odd to me; Swarovski only lists a 1% increase in transmission (likely not visible to the naked eye), so I wonder if it is more a comment on a change in color balance instead? The EL SV is very color neutral with negligible (to me) CA and limited distortion.
I'd be most interested in glare/flare/stray light comments as those are really the only consistent complaint (excluding Rolling Ball) I've seen/experienced regarding the SV.
Justin
I'd be most interested in glare/flare/stray light comments as those are really the only consistent complaint (excluding Rolling Ball) I've seen/experienced regarding the SV.
Justin
Gijs van Ginkel
Well-known member
Justin, post 43,
Brighter in my case does not mean more light. Brightness is a "psychological" entity consisting of:
-1- the amount of light entering your eyes (exit pupil+transmission)
-2- the overall color color balance of the transmitted light (the eye judges green or yellow brighter as purple for example). That means generally that a flat transmission curve over a broad spectral range is an important component for brightness. Something Swarovski but also other binocular producers have tried to accomplish and with great success.
Gijs van Ginkel
Brighter in my case does not mean more light. Brightness is a "psychological" entity consisting of:
-1- the amount of light entering your eyes (exit pupil+transmission)
-2- the overall color color balance of the transmitted light (the eye judges green or yellow brighter as purple for example). That means generally that a flat transmission curve over a broad spectral range is an important component for brightness. Something Swarovski but also other binocular producers have tried to accomplish and with great success.
Gijs van Ginkel
Yep, that basically affirms my assumption that it is more due to color balance perception. I know some people find the Nikon EDG dark when to my eyes it simply emphasises colors differently.
Justin
Gijs van Ginkel
Well-known member
Justin, post 44,
I looked into our files and the test of a 10x42 EL-SV in 2011 did yield transmission values of 84-86%. So it can very well be that the 10x42 NL (reported transmission by Swarovski as being 91%) I used today is brighter due to higher light transmssion in combination with excellent color balance.
Gijs van Ginkel
I looked into our files and the test of a 10x42 EL-SV in 2011 did yield transmission values of 84-86%. So it can very well be that the 10x42 NL (reported transmission by Swarovski as being 91%) I used today is brighter due to higher light transmssion in combination with excellent color balance.
Gijs van Ginkel
“Marketing salt...” good destruction! Given the development tome for this, Swaro didn’t chose to develop it under COVID, merely choose the time to start to recoup some of the investment. It sounds like they really have done a very good job, only a small amount of that magic salt!
Peter
PS even with 82degree field of view can you feel the field stop... more work for the Swaro development team...
Peter
PS even with 82degree field of view can you feel the field stop... more work for the Swaro development team...
NDhunter
Experienced observer
Jan:
Impressive review, so you are saying the 8.5 SV is being discontinued ?
Jerry
elkcub
Silicon Valley, California
Seriously:eek!:!!! Is the market for high-end binos anywhere near big enough for them to make any Return on that kind of Investment? Perhaps I need do the decent thing and buy a pair. As an act of charity, like.
Jerry: it appears they are discontinuing the SV EL Field Pro series and moving forward with a cheaper, slightly redesigned EL Legend series with a reduced close focus.
Justin
Just in the US, alone birders spend 1.8 billion dollars's a year on equipment like binoculars and spotting scopes. More than hunter's spend on rifles. Add in the hunter's and just wildlife watchers and there is a lot of money spent on binoculars worldwide. There is huge market for optics.Seriously:eek!:!!! Is the market for high-end binos anywhere near big enough for them to make any Return on that kind of Investment? Perhaps I need do the decent thing and buy a pair. As an act of charity, like.
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jan van daalen
Well-known member
Hi Jerry,
No, it won't be discontinued, only as long Swaro has stock, it will be available with the current close focus. There is no more stock in 10x42 so from the ## I mentioned these will have the 3.3 meters close focus.
When the new production starts in the 8.5 SV they will gonna have the same close focus at 3.3 meters.
When I get that ## number I'll let it be known.
Jan
NZbinodude
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Great first impressions. Sounds very promising.
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I have no idea how reliable this is but I think it's what Dennis referenced in the past.
https://www.fws.gov/southeast/pdf/r...tates-a-demographic-and-economic-analysis.pdf
Pileatus. Thanks, for answering Ed! Nice demographic article. Very interesting statistics. Wow, Wildlife-watching equipment 7.6 billion! Birders are really important to the economy.
jan van daalen
Well-known member
"$1.8 Billion Spent On Equipment:
Dollars spent annually on binoculars and spotting scopes for wildlife watching, more than the amount spent by hunters purchasing rifles and shotguns."
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/...-economy-latest-u-s-fish-and-wildlife-report/
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
That survey that reports 40+ million birders, or 20% of adults, has always struck me as bat-shit looney. I am a birder and not even close to 20% of the adults I know personally are birders... so I have always wondered how exactly a number like that comes into existence. A question like "Do you enjoy observing birds" answered "yes" makes you a birder? When you do the math on those numbers, $1.8 billion by 40-45 million birders is $40 per birder per year on optics purchases. I guess that's believable, I certainly know many birders who buy one pair of $200-500 bins and are good for a long while. I don't think $40/person/year applies to the demographic of this optics forum
Chosun Juan
Given to Fly
Gijs, and Canip, and others who have chimed in re:- extra wide angle binocular field stops,
Thank you for your responses :t:
Already we are seeing some variation in the answers ....
However, I don't think it is prudent for Swarovski to rely upon this variability to substantiate their marketing claims.
I can see we are going to have to spend several hundred posts dissecting the exact phrasing Swarovski has used in their marketing spiel, and compare it to a growing number of control Mark I eyeball results, to see whether Swarovski is making legitimate claims, or has jumped aboard the marketing guff and bunkum bandwagon 'up to and more than' their eyeballs ! :eek!:
:-O
Chosun :gh:
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