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Old Sunday 1st December 2019, 18:37   #1
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Which Songbird?

Location: Pylos / Peloponnes / Greece, 24.10.2019
If it is not possible to identify the species the genus would also be helpful.

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Old Sunday 1st December 2019, 19:41   #2
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I don't see what it could be other than a European Serin 1cy.
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Old Sunday 1st December 2019, 19:46   #3
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I don't see what it could be other than a European Serin 1cy.
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Old Sunday 1st December 2019, 19:53   #4
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Old Sunday 1st December 2019, 19:55   #5
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If I'm the only one that can't see but a Corn Bunting here, I''ll crawl back into my hole.
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Old Sunday 1st December 2019, 19:59   #6
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Corn Bunting of course
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Old Sunday 1st December 2019, 20:06   #7
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If I'm the only one that can't see but a Corn Bunting here, I''ll crawl back into my hole.
no need! it’s obviously a CB - my tongue in cheek comment didnt work without the ?
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The bill doesn't look right for C Bunt to me?
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The bill doesn't look right for C Bunt to me?
Agree, not a bunting, they have a distinctive bill shape with an arched upper mandible over a large 'anvil' lower mandible.
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Agree, not a bunting, they have a distinctive bill shape with an arched upper mandible over a large 'anvil' lower mandible.
True, and its visible in the photo, albeit subtly. I admit in Corn Bunting its normally more notorious but its still one for me.
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Hans, do you have another photo showing the bill from a diffent angle? So far I stick with Corn Bunting...
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First bird that sprang to mind looking at the picture was Corn Bunting
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CB for me - the bill shape will develop.

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What about Cretzschmar's Bunting?
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What about Cretzschmar's Bunting?
The bill alone excludes Cretzschmer's. As does the tertial pattern etc...
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Giving this a little more thought - Several things may be effecting photo impression but also actuality of bill size imo:

- It seems that the top of the birds crown is slightly tilted towards the camera so the view of the bill is not the full cross sectional shape.(giving an impression of a shallow lower mandible perhaps and distortion of gape line?)
- The bird is in completely fresh plumage so facial/nasal feathering will alter the impression of the proximal profile of the bill cf to say a summer or late winter individual
- There is of course dimorphic differences in overall size - this could be a small female (lots of photographic references are of singing males which for obvious reasons would be a lot more visible)
- finally, Southern European populations of are apparently smaller than those further North (I didn’t know this!)
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/...8.2005.9674325

Apart from impressions of bill, the plumage and otherwise still looks like CB imo.
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