Warbler ID please (1 Viewer)

Atricapilla · May 14, 2006

This "warbler" was singing in the pepper tree at the bottom of the garden this evening whilst I was watering the lawn,its the first warbler this spring,I thought Willow but it looked a bit to large and the bill looks wrong,and it did'nt sound like any Willow I have heard before.Could it be Olivaceous??

dbradnum · May 14, 2006

I think it probably is Olivaceous, Bob - though I've no experience in the field of this or similar species...

Atricapilla · May 14, 2006

dbradnum said:
I think it probably is Olivaceous, Bob - though I've no experience in the field of this or similar species...

I certainly hope you are right David as it will be another first for me,fingers crossed the experts will be along soon!!

Th_SQ · May 14, 2006

Looks like a Olivaceous for me also.

Atricapilla · May 14, 2006

I actually looked at OTW Keith but I am not sure about the size,lets hope it comes back in the morning

Keith Reeder · May 14, 2006

Sorry Bob - I deleted my post!

Just for clarification: I suggested it might be an olive tree warbler.

Then I started wondering about Upcher's, got confused about range, and bottled it!

I still like OTW, actually.

Atricapilla · May 14, 2006

Keith Reeder said:
Sorry Bob - I deleted my post!

Just for clarification: I suggested it might be an olive tree warbler.

Then I started wondering about Upcher's, got confused about range, and bottled it!

I still like OTW, actually.

Yes ,I am not sure if thats a whitish wing panel which would be good for OTW.

lou salomon · May 14, 2006

my first impresion was also olive tree warbler but it can't be: primary projection is too short, undertail covs are white instead of marbled with grey and the super goes behind the eye. and i'd expect an OTW to have a longer tail. remains only elaeica olivaceous on range though that wing panel is irritating and the bill looks long too - i can see where keith comes with his upcher's speculation. i'll leave this to hippo-experts. much easier to do them by song.

Andrew Whitehouse · May 15, 2006

I'm actually pretty sure this isn't an Olivaceous. Although the primary projection might not be quite long enough for OTW it seems much too long for Olivaceous and the big pale wing panel and hefty look to the bill also point towards OTW or maybe Upchers. Again I'll leave it to others to sort out, or to Bob to get some more pictures and maybe a description of the song.

Jane Turner · May 15, 2006

What was it doing with its tail....? I know it sounds silly, but its pretty important to the ID. I'm heading towards Upchers!

Atricapilla · May 15, 2006

Jane Turner said:
What was it doing with its tail....? I know it sounds silly, but its pretty important to the ID. I'm heading towards Upchers!

Jane,it was preening and singing and feeding all within 5 minutes,has'nt come back yet but I will try with the song and better Photo's(angles if poss) and maybe nearer if I am lucky,all the 3 choices would be a lifer for me so - happy days!!
Thanks to everyone for all the expert help.

Atricapilla · May 15, 2006

bobwoodcock said:
Jane,it was preening and singing and feeding all within 5 minutes,has'nt come back yet but I will try with the song and better Photo's(angles if poss) and maybe nearer if I am lucky,all the 3 choices would be a lifer for me so - happy days!!
Thanks to everyone for all the expert help.

Sorry Jane the tail movement I know is important now I have read my Collins again on all 3,I will check if and when it comes back!!

Jane Turner · May 15, 2006

Upchers swings its tail about like a Shrike - its very distinctive!

hannu · May 15, 2006

First impression : EOW

JANJ · May 15, 2006

Hi all.
Firstly, such an important charachter as tail movements isn´t silly Jane!

Interesting, and a rather difficult angle and light stuation. My vote is elaeica Olivaceous. I agree with Lou, and the reasons mentioned, that it´s not an Olive tree, which would have a stouter bill (compare with Bob´s pic1).Also Lou´s coments about the wing panel and long bill could be understadable, but I don´t think these two characters on the images is that problematic. The wing panel looks brightest in image 3, less so in the other images. In image 2 & 3 the pale greater coverts, together with very obvious pale tipped secondaries, contrasting against darker primaries, rather thin-billed impression in image 1. in my eyes all in favour of elaeica. Check these Upcher´s and notice the broad and long tail.

http://www.birdingisrael.com/birdNews/inFocus/upchers/index.htm

JanJ

Edward woodwood · May 15, 2006

an Upchers would be apparent inthe field on behaviour pretty quickly as Jane says with the tail wagging, an Olivaceous are not too tricky on jizz either - and the broad based bill is often easily seen too

An Olive Tree is a big lumbering warbler, again i found mega distictive in the field. Might be worth trying to find it again Bob and note the behaviour and jizz... and I don't want to plump for anything from just the pics!

Atricapilla · May 15, 2006

Tim Allwood said:
an Upchers would be apparent inthe field on behaviour pretty quickly as Jane says with the tail wagging, an Olivaceous are not too tricky on jizz either - and the broad based bill is often easily seen too

An Olive Tree is a big lumbering warbler, again i found mega distictive in the field. Might be worth trying to find it again Bob and note the behaviour and jizz... and I don't want to plump for anything from just the pics!

Has'nt arrived back as yet Tim,but as soon as it does I will watch for the tail movement as Jane says, and get a better set of photo's if poss,in the mean time I will just have to sit on the patio with a G&T and wait,phew it's a hard life!!!

Edward woodwood · May 15, 2006

bobwoodcock said:
in the mean time I will just have to sit on the patio with a G&T and wait,phew it's a hard life!!!

cheers for that Bob

makes me feel a lot better... :C

good luck, fingers crossed it'll be back soon... first of many this year i guess

Atricapilla · May 15, 2006

Tim Allwood said:
cheers for that Bob

makes me feel a lot better... :C

good luck, fingers crossed it'll be back soon... first of many this year i guess

Sorry about that Tim ,but thats exactly what I was doing after watching the sfc doing their acrobatics in the garden.

hannu · May 15, 2006

In my mind, follow characters fits to Eastern Olivaceous Warbler,e.g....
- long and quite strong-based bill with down-curved tip and all-pale lower mandible
- the hint of a pale secondary panel
- the whitish tips to the folded secondaries
- rather dark primaries and tail-feathers

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