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Taphrospilus
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Lampornis amethystinus margaritae
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No doubt from OD. From here we can see she was born 1858 and her maiden name was also Smith. Here b. Jan 10 1858 in Woburn.
She was from Brooklyn (but ?? see last sentence) and they married on 5 th October 1880. See here or full text here. They had a son Holland Huntington here or here. The son was born Nov. 5 1886.
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No doubt from OD. From here we can see she was born 1858 and her maiden name was also Smith. Here b. Jan 10 1858 in Woburn.
She was from Brooklyn (but ?? see last sentence) and they married on 5 th October 1880. See here or full text here. They had a son Holland Huntington here or here. The son was born Nov. 5 1886.
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Andy Adcock
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Anything to do with Psittiparus margaritae?
Taphrospilus
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Andy Adcock
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Thanks.
James Jobling
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Chersophilus duponti. My Cabard & Chauvet 2003 quote merely indicates that Géroudet, in the absence of a definitive dedication amongst so many Duponts, sought to alter the French substantive name of Dupont's Lark to one based on a Spanish onomatopoeia.
PS. thanks for the margaritae and duphaa.
PS. thanks for the margaritae and duphaa.
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Taphrospilus
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If you follow the logic in The Dupont family: collectors, dealers and naturalists in nineteenth-century Paris the hint to which Dupont the dedictation was given is to find in...
I haven't seen this book (as it seems very rare) but I simply trust Mearns et al. as they wrote:
mb1848
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A 2012 article agrees with Léonard Dupont.. Page 119 of:
https://cdnfiles1.biolovision.net/w...rfiles/FPP-AperudiachroV4poursiteinternet.pdf .
https://cdnfiles1.biolovision.net/w...rfiles/FPP-AperudiachroV4poursiteinternet.pdf .
l_raty
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http://docnum.unistra.fr/cdm/compoundobject/collection/coll13/id/10782/rec/1
The Alauda duponti text is on images 00341 and 00342; the plate is image 00639.
Roux did not cite Dupont's given name(s), but he indeed indicated that the man was a renowned and recently deceased wax modeller, to whom the knowledge of the species was due, and who provided the specimen he used to draw his plate.
Taphrospilus
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
In The Auk, 2004, at the end of the Obituary of Jean Dorst (1924–2001): "He is survived by his wife, Emmanuelle."
This said, with no concern for the name of Psilopsiagon aurifrons margaritae, of course.
Björn
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l_raty
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If the data in the geneanet.org page I linked in my last post is to be trusted, Emmanuelle would seem to be "Colette Emmanuelle MUNIER". Still his third wife, thus.
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Madame/Mother Marguerite's Parrotbill
Following the Birth record of the French ornithologist Jean Delacour (1890-1985), recently found and shown by Martin in thread delacouri / Delacourella / Delacourigallus (post #1, here), we also find one additonal detail regarding his Mother (i.e. her Birth/Maiden name), a Lady commemorated in the scientific name ...
margaritae as in:
• the (somewhat debated) species (or sometimes subspecies) Black-headed Parrotbill (Paradoxornis) Psittiparus (gularis) margaritae DELACOUR 1927 (here), as "Psittiparus margaritæ", with the very short dedication: "Named in honour of my mother."
She's earlier been mentioned (briefly) in this thread, back in April 2019, in post #4, where Martin quoted the dear old HBW (no longer Alive) Key:
Confirmed by various Who' who, like; here, here, here, or elsewhere.
She apparently died the 26th of September 1954 (on Jean Delacour's 64th Birhday!), in Los Angeles, California, USA, and she was buried in the Holy Cross cemetery, where she still rests (now, since 1985, with her world-famous Son, by her side).
Björn
Following the Birth record of the French ornithologist Jean Delacour (1890-1985), recently found and shown by Martin in thread delacouri / Delacourella / Delacourigallus (post #1, here), we also find one additonal detail regarding his Mother (i.e. her Birth/Maiden name), a Lady commemorated in the scientific name ...
margaritae as in:
• the (somewhat debated) species (or sometimes subspecies) Black-headed Parrotbill (Paradoxornis) Psittiparus (gularis) margaritae DELACOUR 1927 (here), as "Psittiparus margaritæ", with the very short dedication: "Named in honour of my mother."
She's earlier been mentioned (briefly) in this thread, back in April 2019, in post #4, where Martin quoted the dear old HBW (no longer Alive) Key:
... which I now think could be expanded into: Marguerite Delacour (1860–1954) née Rousseau, mother of ... and onwards.
Confirmed by various Who' who, like; here, here, here, or elsewhere.
She apparently died the 26th of September 1954 (on Jean Delacour's 64th Birhday!), in Los Angeles, California, USA, and she was buried in the Holy Cross cemetery, where she still rests (now, since 1985, with her world-famous Son, by her side).
Björn
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Marguerite's Parrotbill ... continuation
But I haven't been able to find the Birth year for her husband [equally Jean (Théodore) Delacour's Father]; Théodore (François) Delacour, who died in 1905.
Anyone who knows?
Doesn't Jean's Birth record (from 1890) tell us his Father's age, something like; "age 'de treint-... ans" (as in either; trente-deux, trente-six, or ... trente-dix[!?], i.e. thirty-two, thirty-six, or thirty-ten[?!?], as in 32, 36 or 40) ?!?
If so he would have been born in about ... ?
Disclaimer: This far, I (only) assume his second given name ought to be written with the letter ç (c-cedilla) ?
And; does the same record confirm/match the alleged Birth year for mother Marguerite ("1860"), in 1890; "agée de trente ..." ?
Handwriting in French is not the easiest to decipher (read: stare at, somewhat in vain, when one doesn't understand it), thereby; quite a few remaining question marks!
Anyone who feel like straighten them out?
/B
PS. If his Father also is commemorated in any Bird name is unknown to me. But I don't think so.
The only bird, that I know of, with the name theodori, is the extinct (sub-fossil) species Mascarene teal (or 'Mauritian duck') "Anas theodori" NEWTON & GADOW 1893 (here and here + Plate/bones, here), which clearly was aimed for "Mr. Théodore Sauzier" (1829–1904) ... which, of course, also is indicated by it's third alternate common/vernacular name; 'Sauzier's teal'.
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But I haven't been able to find the Birth year for her husband [equally Jean (Théodore) Delacour's Father]; Théodore (François) Delacour, who died in 1905.
Anyone who knows?
Doesn't Jean's Birth record (from 1890) tell us his Father's age, something like; "age 'de treint-... ans" (as in either; trente-deux, trente-six, or ... trente-dix[!?], i.e. thirty-two, thirty-six, or thirty-ten[?!?], as in 32, 36 or 40) ?!?
If so he would have been born in about ... ?
Disclaimer: This far, I (only) assume his second given name ought to be written with the letter ç (c-cedilla) ?
And; does the same record confirm/match the alleged Birth year for mother Marguerite ("1860"), in 1890; "agée de trente ..." ?
Handwriting in French is not the easiest to decipher (read: stare at, somewhat in vain, when one doesn't understand it), thereby; quite a few remaining question marks!
Anyone who feel like straighten them out?
/B
PS. If his Father also is commemorated in any Bird name is unknown to me. But I don't think so.
The only bird, that I know of, with the name theodori, is the extinct (sub-fossil) species Mascarene teal (or 'Mauritian duck') "Anas theodori" NEWTON & GADOW 1893 (here and here + Plate/bones, here), which clearly was aimed for "Mr. Théodore Sauzier" (1829–1904) ... which, of course, also is indicated by it's third alternate common/vernacular name; 'Sauzier's teal'.
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Taphrospilus
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You can exclude trente-dix as this would be quaronte. But I would read it as trente-six (36).
According https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k277425t/f3 Francois-Adrien Théodore Delacour. They married probably 5. th April 1880.
And here p. 6 of 30 the marriage.
Father born 3 March 1854 in Paris
Mother born 6 October 1860 in Meudon (Seine-et-Oise) (there seems to be a second name Ebele or something like this).
According https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k277425t/f3 Francois-Adrien Théodore Delacour. They married probably 5. th April 1880.
And here p. 6 of 30 the marriage.
Father born 3 March 1854 in Paris
Mother born 6 October 1860 in Meudon (Seine-et-Oise) (there seems to be a second name Ebele or something like this).
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Taphrospilus
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Thanks, Martin! Well found, well done :t:
Conclusion (in simple Math):
Monsieur (François Adrien) Théodore Delacour (1854–1905)
+ Madame Marguerite Delacour (1860–1954) [alt. Mamselle Marguerite Rousseau]
= Jean (Théodore) Delacour (1890–1985).
That'll do. That's enough (at least for my MS) ...
Once again: Thanks!
Björn
PS. Though (even if beyond my need/scope); I don't understand how you figured out Marguerite's exact Birth date. To me, "p. 347 of 437" (from Meudon, Seine-et-Oise) says someting like "Rousseau. Marg[xx?], 8 | 8[x?] | 1860" (date|month|year) ... ?
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Conclusion (in simple Math):
Monsieur (François Adrien) Théodore Delacour (1854–1905)
+ Madame Marguerite Delacour (1860–1954) [alt. Mamselle Marguerite Rousseau]
= Jean (Théodore) Delacour (1890–1985).
That'll do. That's enough (at least for my MS) ...
Once again: Thanks!
Björn
PS. Though (even if beyond my need/scope); I don't understand how you figured out Marguerite's exact Birth date. To me, "p. 347 of 437" (from Meudon, Seine-et-Oise) says someting like "Rousseau. Marg[xx?], 8 | 8[x?] | 1860" (date|month|year) ... ?
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Taphrospilus
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It is from the marriage record. There must be more info for Meudon (but seems not be public) with more info on father and mother of her.
