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EDG - where are you? (1 Viewer)

I still prefer the shape of the Venturer/HG/Premier/LX series, so distinctively Nikon, and their best ever design (IMO). To my eyes it's not only elegant but also looks 'hewn from the solid', reassuring, dependable. The EDG certainly appears robust and businesslike, if a little 'swaroesque-chunky', while the EDG II is more svelte with its unique styling, yet not quite as 'balanced' in its looks as the HG/LX. Repeating what someone has already said, why didn't Nikon just upgrade the HG/LX with ED glass? The answer may simply be that the PR/marketing people wanted something 'all new, new, new!' to shout about...

James,

I like that phrase "hewn from the solid". The HG does look like a curvaceous sculpture. If I weren't "allergic" to "rolling ball" and sensitive to CA, the 8x42 HG would be my full sized "glass," though I would have liked a bit more FOV, say 7.5*.

So you think the reason Nikon updated the EDG was merely to have something new to "shout" about? How American of them! Well, I guess that's what happens when a traditional culture becomes "contaminated" by the likes of McDonalds and Walmart. :)

The hallmarks of Japanese Zen Buddhist art are simplicity, emptiness, directness, and naturalness. You got to admire the EDG II for the emptiness btwn the barrels!

Btw, that was my comment above about upgrading the HG with ED glass.

A redesigned 8x42 Premier ED with some added pincushion like the EDG and a bit wider FOV- now that would be something to SHOUT about!
 
I still prefer the shape of the Venturer/HG/Premier/LX series, so distinctively Nikon, and their best ever design (IMO). To my eyes it's not only elegant but also looks 'hewn from the solid', reassuring, dependable. The EDG certainly appears robust and businesslike, if a little 'swaroesque-chunky', while the EDG II is more svelte with its unique styling, yet not quite as 'balanced' in its looks as the HG/LX. Repeating what someone has already said, why didn't Nikon just upgrade the HG/LX with ED glass? The answer may simply be that the PR/marketing people wanted something 'all new, new, new!' to shout about...

James,
One thing you notice immediately when you first use the EDG, if you are familiar with the LX L/HG L, is it's vastly improved eye cups and oculars. The eye cups are more comfortable, thicker and appear to be much more resistant to coming loose than the old ones were. The mechanism for extending and closing them is much more precise. Additionally, you get with the binocular as a free option quite substantial horned eye cups which are very easy to put on and remove. They have a lip on them that fits under the bottom edge of the eye cup to help keep them in place. I use them nearly all the time. The external part of the oculars are wider too. Probably, as Henry Link commented a while back, to accommodate the extra eye relief and retain the same wide field.

The EDG also has dielectric prisms which the LX L's did not have. Curiously, Nikon first put these into the Monarchs. I don't know why. Maybe it is because they inherently are conservative in their approach to changes and want to test things out first before they go with them. And, of course, there is the new ED glass.

And from an ergonomic standpoint they do hang straighter while wearing them than the old LX L's did; which was a subject of discomfort and discontent to some users.

As I noted before, the EDG is a brand new binocular, from the ground up. I think, that like the SE's and the LX L's and the EII's before them that Nikon typically will make few, if any, VISIBLE changes in it for years to come now that they have finally settled on the current EDG (II).

Bob
 
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James,
One thing you notice immediately when you first use the EDG, if you are familiar with the LX L/HG L, is it's vastly improved eye cups and oculars. The eye cups are more comfortable, thicker and appear to be much more resistant to coming loose than the old ones were. The mechanism for extending and closing them is much more precise. Additionally, you get with the binocular as a free option quite substantial horned eye cups which are very easy to put on and remove. They have a lip on them that fits under the bottom edge of the eye cup to help keep them in place. I use them nearly all the time. The external part of the oculars are wider too. Probably, as Henry Link commented a while back, to accommodate the extra eye relief and retain the same wide field.

The EDG also has dielectric prisms which the LX L's did not have. Curiously, Nikon first put these into the Monarchs. I don't know why. Maybe it is because they inherently are conservative in their approach to changes and want to test things out first before they go with them. And, of course, there is the new ED glass.

And from an ergonomic standpoint they do hang straighter while wearing them than the old LX L's did; which was a subject of discomfort and discontent to some users.

As I noted before, the EDG is a brand new binocular, from the ground up. I think, that like the SE's and the LX L's and the EII's before them that Nikon typically will make few, if any, VISIBLE changes in it for years to come now that they have finally settled on the current EDG (II).

Bob

I agree :t: EDG binocular is one of the best and much better than LXL which I own too :smoke:
 
Thanks for the comments so far

Since I started this thread I thought I'd thank everyone for their participation. There is much detail here - much/most of it without the benefit of actually holding whatever Nikon plans to ship to retailers in the USA. I have high expectations and I don't expect to be disappointed.

However, I will say that as long as the NikonUSA site still shows the older EDG information, for me, the "new" EDG 2 doesn't exist nor is it available from any retailer including one that was mentioned in this thread. After a false start with EDG 1 pricing will need to be competitive with the well established alphas too. We'll see about that.

Looking forward to Nikon's official USA release date and actual availability at established retailers - whenever that is.
 
B&H still has the 10x32 for $930 plus a $100 gift card. Sounds like a good deal.

Anyone around here snag that NIB 8x32 EDG 2 on Ebay for $851 last night?? I put one bid on it but didn't follow up. Lost it at the end, of course. Someone got a deal.

Mark
 
Mike,

Thanks again for the update - unfortunately yet another wait. Maybe you can give us your impression of whatever updated versions you have. I wouldn't expect you to bite the hand that feeds you but I'm sure you'll have some useful information. I'm a bit disappointed that Nikon hasn't at least updated their USA website to show the updated EDG line. It's very unlikely that I'd be inclined to purchase without more official information or before major retailers have the new line in their inventory.

jsmorytko,

I hear you! Yeah, I certainly won't talk real bad about Nikon. However, I've been using Nikon glass since I was 12 which is way before I got this job so I truly love Nikon's glass regardless.

The focus wheel tension is tight, but no lock on it. I have been telling Nikon that the focus wheel is improved, but not yet fixed. Having said that, I haven't had that focus wheel slip yet in over three weeks with the product. The glass is the same optically.

Balance is always something in a binocular I deem as necessary and I haven't really spent enough time in the field to test that. The EDG I had excellent balance and I hope other birders will find the same with the EDG II.

Those are the remaining factors that contribute to performance that I have noticed. There is a slight increase in price due to currency exchange issues. However, our warranty to dispel any misconceptions that you (generally speaking) are not being taken care of as a Nikon customer. So, other then that I would gladly take questions if there are any.

Best,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon Birding Market Specialist
 
Mike,
I'm a bit confused here re your 1st sentence in the 2nd paragraph. Are you saying that the new EDG no longer has the Focus Lock section on the Focus Wheel that the original EDG had? And was the tension on the Focus Wheel tightened?
Bob
 
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jsmorytko,

I hear you! Yeah, I certainly won't talk real bad about Nikon. However, I've been using Nikon glass since I was 12 which is way before I got this job so I truly love Nikon's glass regardless.

Mike, I saw your photo in the 2009 Nikon sports optics catalog, and I wouldn't say that 12 was WAY before you got the job. Unless you are one of those lucky stiffs who looks a lot younger than his age.

In case others haven't seen your photo, here is the "Boy Wonder" with his EDG. :)

http://www.nikonbirding.com/images/staff/mike-frieberg-image-1.jpg

Also interesting to read that you hail from Pennsylvania.

The focus wheel tension is tight, but no lock on it. I have been telling Nikon that the focus wheel is improved, but not yet fixed. Having said that, I haven't had that focus wheel slip yet in over three weeks with the product. The glass is the same optically.

I think those are close to the words my friend spoke about his second sample EDG I's focuser. Improved but not quite ready for prime time (I might have paraphrased that a bit :).

I like the way the Swarovski EL pull-out focuser knob snaps back into place better than the "is it or isn't it all the way down?" EDG design.

Once snapped in place, I don't have to worry about the EL's focuser knob popping back out no matter what position the bin is in or if my fingers accidentally bump the focuser knob. IOW, it's what I expect from premium quality, premium priced binoculars.

I also find the EL's diopter ring easier to find with my fingers and easier to turn. Not that the EDG's diopter ring is hard to turn, but it's so flat and smooth, there's nothing to grip it with especially when I'm wearing gloves. It does have hatch marks for the diopter settings, but the groves are quite shallow. I'd prefer if the diopter ring had deeper groves or better yet, raised "ribs" to grab onto with gloves.

Otherwise, optically and ergonomically, I liked the EDG I better than the pre-SV EL. The "rolling ball" in the SV EL, like the Nikon Premier, rules it out for me (so does the über price!).

Balance is always something in a binocular I deem as necessary and I haven't really spent enough time in the field to test that. The EDG I had excellent balance and I hope other birders will find the same with the EDG II.

Those are the remaining factors that contribute to performance that I have noticed. There is a slight increase in price due to currency exchange issues. However, our warranty to dispel any misconceptions that you (generally speaking) are not being taken care of as a Nikon customer. So, other then that I would gladly take questions if there are any.

Yes, there is one. The $54,000 question that we have been pondering on this thread is why did Nikon redesign the EDG??? Except for the finicky focuser, everything else seemed to work well in the original. It had great optics, great ergonomics with good balance, as you mentioned, and it hadn't been out that long, and hadn't been released in Europe from what I'm told, so why did Nikon send the designers back to the drawing board to create the EDG II before the "paint was dry" on the EDG I?

Best,
Brock
 
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jsmorytko,

Those are the remaining factors that contribute to performance that I have noticed. There is a slight increase in price due to currency exchange issues. However, our warranty to dispel any misconceptions that you (generally speaking) are not being taken care of as a Nikon customer. So, other then that I would gladly take questions if there are any.

Best,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon Birding Market Specialist

I have a couple of questions for you.

1. I don't understand your quote above. Can you explain what you mean about Nikon Customer Service?

2. I'm looking for a sample/demo EDG bino. If I get you a serial #, can you tell me if it is one of the versions with the corrected diopter adjustment, or one of the first run samples with the diopter issues? Can you also tell me the date of manufacture? Hopefully you can, because your Nikon Customer Service hadn't a clue.

Thanks,
JG
 
I have a couple of questions for you.

1. I don't understand your quote above. Can you explain what you mean about Nikon Customer Service?

2. I'm looking for a sample/demo EDG bino. If I get you a serial #, can you tell me if it is one of the versions with the corrected diopter adjustment, or one of the first run samples with the diopter issues? Can you also tell me the date of manufacture? Hopefully you can, because your Nikon Customer Service hadn't a clue.

Thanks,
JG


Hi there! It seems I should re-read through my posts before sending it out. I apologize for that. I can see why there would be confusion.

Nikon has wonderful customer service. I am approached at many birders at every show complementing the timely service. Basically, my statements made no sense in the last post. I just wanted to make sure that everyone who is a Nikon user knows that we take pride in our customer service.

I will certainly try to see what information I can get for you concerning your EDG. Send me your info via a PM and I will look into it.

I tend to wear my binoculars across my chest, so I like to do a test of swinging my arms over the focus wheel to test the tension and strength of the focus wheel. I have done this a lot with my new EDG II and literally, the focus wheel has not popped up once.

Please let me know if you have more questions.

Best,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon's Birding Market Specialist
 
Thanks Mike. Here's a couple for you to check out. Nikon EDG 10x42 serial # 500344, and serial #500060 of same configuration.

Please give me the date of manufacture, and if these two have the improved/fixed/modified diopter ring that doesn't "free wheel", or has little to no resistance. I appreciate your help. Please do not respond to tell me to send them to Nikon for evaluation. Thanks again.
JG
 
Hi there! It seems I should re-read through my posts before sending it out. I apologize for that. I can see why there would be confusion.

Nikon has wonderful customer service. I am approached at many birders at every show complementing the timely service. Basically, my statements made no sense in the last post. I just wanted to make sure that everyone who is a Nikon user knows that we take pride in our customer service.

I will certainly try to see what information I can get for you concerning your EDG. Send me your info via a PM and I will look into it.

I tend to wear my binoculars across my chest, so I like to do a test of swinging my arms over the focus wheel to test the tension and strength of the focus wheel. I have done this a lot with my new EDG II and literally, the focus wheel has not popped up once.

Please let me know if you have more questions.

Best,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon's Birding Market Specialist

Same here no problem at all with the EDG II bino when I used last time :king:
 
Thanks Mike. Here's a couple for you to check out. Nikon EDG 10x42 serial # 500344, and serial #500060 of same configuration.

Please give me the date of manufacture, and if these two have the improved/fixed/modified diopter ring that doesn't "free wheel", or has little to no resistance. I appreciate your help. Please do not respond to tell me to send them to Nikon for evaluation. Thanks again.
JG


Any word yet Mike? Anxiously awaiting.
JG
 
Any word yet Mike? Anxiously awaiting.
JG

People have been anxiously waiting for almost a year:

http://www.nikon.com/about/news/2010/0312_edg_binoculars_01.htm

Hopefully, the delay is for the same reason why the late Paul Masson didn't rush his products to market: "We will sell no wine before its time."

Patience, my friend, I've been waiting almost as long to find out the reason why Nikon redesigned the EDG I, which hadn't yet been distributed globally.

If anyone knows, it should be our "Young Turk" Mike.

"...the EDG began... with the melding of two minds—Mike Freiberg and Cameron Cox, two of the young Turks of birding and Nikon’s “Birding Specialists.”

http://featheredgeoptics.com/productreviews_nikonedg.htm
 
This is what bothers me about Nikon CS. I asked the same question to Swaro in regards to the SLCneu in getting me a date of manufacture when I gave them the serial #. It took them less than 30 seconds to let me know. I've asked Nikon before, and now it's been 4 days and I still can't get a manufacture date. In my experience Nikon CS is clueless.
 
Swarovski makes it so easy you don't even need to ask. The first four digits form a date code. The first two digits +30 is the year of manufacture and the next two digits are the week of that year.

I'm not convinced that Nikon serial numbers contain any date or product code. I notice that my 8x30 EII, your 10x42 EDG and most 8x32 SE's have serial numbers of six digits beginning with 50. Clearly, the very same serial numbers must appear in all three models.
 
Swarovski makes it so easy you don't even need to ask. The first four digits form a date code. The first two digits +30 is the year of manufacture and the next two digits are the week of that year.

I'm not convinced that Nikon serial numbers contain any date or product code. I notice that my 8x30 EII, your 10x42 EDG and most 8x32 SE's have serial numbers of six digits beginning with 50. Clearly, the very same serial numbers must appear in all three models.

Ditto on the 8x30E11 and the 8x32 SE serial number range but my EDG(7x42) begins with 000. Anyone know if that is normal for the 7x42's?
 
Henry: I'm pretty sure that Nikon uses a model number in a particular product range for the first two (or perhaps three of digits) in a given range. They do seem to like odd numbers for this too.

They can see they're EDGs or SEs or whatever.

My 8x32 EDG start with 700 (as do all the other reported ones). THat 7x42 EDG starts with 000 (as I suspect do all the others). The prefix for the 10x42 has been reported here before (500?). The first digit(s) is different for each model in a given range.

This seems to be true of the SE too. And as this shot of an EII shows it too.

http://birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=308156&d=1297550843

I'm now leaning towards a 1 digit model code + 5 digit serial. Perhaps in special cases using 2 digits for the product code.

This is unlike Swaro (year code + serial) or Zeiss (pure serial) or Canon (unique product code + serial).

Nikon also use longer serials on their camera products (check a lens) that seem to have product code + serial number.

I don't believe Brock's assertion of years though (as I've said before). I think it's a prefix product number and then sequence number for production.
 
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Swarovski makes it so easy you don't even need to ask. The first four digits form a date code. The first two digits +30 is the year of manufacture and the next two digits are the week of that year.

I'm not convinced that Nikon serial numbers contain any date or product code. I notice that my 8x30 EII, your 10x42 EDG and most 8x32 SE's have serial numbers of six digits beginning with 50. Clearly, the very same serial numbers must appear in all three models.

Okay, if you don't like my serial #/third digit year/production unit #s correlation scheme or Kevin's product codes idea, then what do the serial numbers mean, oh, Carnac the Magnificent? :)

I see no reason why the fact that the 10x42 EDG starts with 500xx and the 8x32 EDG with 700xxx and my 8x30 EII starts with 501xxx negates the possibility of a sequential serial #/year/production unit correlation scheme in all Nikon bins.

Where is it written that Nikon can't use the same first number for more than one series of bins?

If anything, the fact that both of the EDG I's have "00" after the initial number makes them analogous to your first edition 1997 500xxx 8x32 SE.

Nikon introduced the EDG in 2008 in the US (a very bad year, as it turned out to be, with the Crash of '08), and then they pulled the plug, redesigned the EDG and introduced the new version in March of last year (at least at shows, I don't know anyone who owns an EDG II yet). But if anyone does have one, please post the serial #.

I'm starting to gather "data" on the EDG Is. I have two so far, one 10x42 received in Oct. 2009, with serial # 500497, the second is an 8x32 EDG, bought last year during the blow out sale, with the serial # 700054.

Could those be the 497th 10x42 made and the 97th 8x32 from the first production run in 2008? I don't see why not. The EDGs weren't exactly flying off the shelves in 2008 with consumers tightening their belt, worrying about losing their jobs or the houses. And then there were also the reports of the loose focuser knob.

But when Nikon started offering discounts in late 2009 on the full sized models and then sold the midsized models with free cameras for $999 in 2010, bino fans starting opening their wallets again and many of those units were sold.

It will be interesting to see if Nikon will continue 10x42 EDG II numbering with 501xxx or start with a new sequence of numbers like Nikon did with the 2007-2008 550xxx 8x32 SE since they were not made in sequential years.

Certainly, there must have been some reason why Nikon jumped from 501-505 to 550 in the 8x32 SE introduced in 2007. Perhaps because it was the first non-sequential year of production or perhaps because it was the first year they used lead free glass in the SEs? The number change must signify something. They can't just be numbered "willy nilly" or after the designers children's birthdays.

At the very least, the first number represents the model and the subsequent numbers the production units (how many made) even if there isn't a year correlation in the third digit.

What gave me that idea was a sequential year/serial # scheme in the early Zeiss production runs, which was posted on europa.com's bin forum years ago. I don't know how Zeiss works their serial #s today, but there was a time when one digit on their bins serial #s represented the year(s) of production (the production year didn't start on January 1, but in the middle of the year, and thus spanned over a two-year period for each production run). And the rest of the numbers in the serial # represented how many made during that production run. If anyone has that Zeiss bin chart, please post it.

Until Mike Freiberg (or someone else at Nikon not in customer service) tells us what many of us on BF have been asking for several years now about the meaning of Nikon bins' serial numbers, your guess is as good as mine (if you had a guess, that is! :).

Brock
 
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